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That Harry Potter was suicidal. Ugh. Sacrificing yourself for others is not the same as being suicidal. Harry didn't want to die.

That house elves being slaves is good and necessary for them.

That Tolkien is a light and fluffy writer. That he doesn't kill off characters.

that third one....

I am. I don't have the words for how WTF I feel about that.

I don't get it at all. I've heard/read many people say it, but it is stupid every single time. Like, even the Hobbit isn't all light and fluffy. People die. LOTR certainly isn't either. So even if you know nothing of his writing outside of those, it is still a ridiculous thing to say.

I know, right? Even lighthearted Hobbit has, what, a third of the Unexpected Party dying in the battle? Let me guess, all fantasy authors have to live up to GRR Martin's body count before they can be considered serious enough.

Yup. And the Martin comparison is stupid anyway because Tolkien totally kills that many (and more) in the Silmarillion. Everyone, just about, dies.

My feelings on house elves are fairly complex. I definitely wouldn't call it good for them, but I really get the feeling most house elves are like house pets. Dogs especially. So at least at the time of the Harry Potter books, most house elves would feel their positions are necessary.

If you dumped a dog in the forest who has lived with people all its life, chances are it won't survive if someone else doesn't come along to take care of it. I think most house elves are, for a lack of a better term, bred for loyalty like humans domesticated animals. So while you might have the occasional oddball like Dobby, the majority of house elves wouldn't know what to do if you gave them freedom (like Winky or Kreacher).

Just my two cents.

Except house elves are sapient. So I don't think that comparison works at all.

DA

Well, living independently does require certain skills. Ideally, we teach them to kids as they reach adulthood.

Humans who have been kept in institutions long-term - prisons, mental health institutions, barracks-like foster homes - benefit from halfway houses, acclimisation programs, and community sponsors.

So... just throwing house elves a sock each would be irresponsible. Making sure they have places to go, people to help them get there, and a fair wage if they choose to stay, would be kinder. (Though, a tapering off system would itself be open to abuse so, eh.)

So like... house elves being slaves is good and necessary for them

the problem is JKR making the choice to write a fictional race of whom it is largely true that being a slave is good and necessary for them. but, like, that is what she actually did

No, actually she didn't. She wrote about a species being brainwashed into thinking slavery is good and necessary for them. Doesn't mean it is actually true, as seen by Dobby and even Kreature.

I don't think you can just conclude from two examples that something is true of the entire species

With you on the House Elves. They're based on brownies from folklore (same thing that inspired the Girl Scouts Brownies) which are just like these helpful little spirits/fairies that clean your house at night as a favor and while they don't like to receive "payment", they will happily accept gifts. I always felt like the wizards somewhere along the way took advantage of their kindness and enslaved them. I feel like JKR could have gone into their history a bit more...or at all...but also readers who justify their enslavement need to learn how to read between the lines.

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