[ SECRET POST #4274 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4274 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Moses put Rameses on the spot in front of everyone. "You know I am a Hebrew, and the god of the Hebrews came to me... He commands that you let his people go." Rameses was already worried about being the "weak link" that would break his family's dynasty, there was no way he could just take an order like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, that justifies the slavery then. He was feeling inadequate.

[(Anonymous)]

Like I said, he was put in an impossible situation. He loved Moses and might have been more willing to work things out if Moses talked to him in private first instead of demanding it in front of everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

I still see you justifying slavery because someone got their feelings hurt.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's more "hey, maybe if you handled it differently it might have been possible to find a solution that didn't involve killing babies and children."

[(Anonymous)]

But the greater fault by far is still with the people owning the slaves.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's not actually an impossible situation. He was faced with a choice, yes, but that doesn't mean that it was an impossible choice.

Obviously, this is a weird conversation because it's a fictionalized version of a mythological narrative from two societies that are like 3000 years old and deeply different from our modern standards. But setting that aside for the moment, if we're going to judge based on the movie and our modern standards, then it's not an impossible choice at all. The risk of damaging your reputation is not a sufficient justification for slavery.

[(Anonymous)]

He was worried about destroying his family's dynasty,

And no one's saying he should have kept the Hebrews in slavery, but if Moses had handled things differently Rameses might have been able to come up with a solution where he didn't look like he was taking orders from another man's god.

[(Anonymous)]

He was worried about destroying his family's dynasty,

And if the dynasty requires keeping people in slavery, let it die.

if Moses had handled things differently Rameses might have been able to come up with a solution where he didn't look like he was taking orders from another man's god.

Moses probably could have made it easier on him. He still didn't make a morally acceptable choice.

[morieris]

lmao

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. Not really.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't remember if this ever came up in the movie, but Ramses would've also been a god incarnate, so... it's like, "You're god came to you to order me, another god, to do something. Uh huh."

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Right! The moralizing going on upthread is bizarre to me because this was an entirely different time and culture with different standards of morality.

[(Anonymous)]

The movie was made in 1998 actually

[(Anonymous)]

...portraying an entirely different time and culture with different standards of morality.

[philstar22]

If we want to judge by the standards of the times, the Hebrews had been invited to Egypt as guests originally. Even by the standards of the time enslaving them was wrong, and Moses working to free his own people was right.

[tabaqui]

Same. I'm baffled. Yes, Anon - we get it. Slavery=bad. But in the context of the time, that is *not actually the point*.

[(Anonymous)]

How is that not the point of the Exodus

WHAT ELSE IS THE POINT OF THE EXODUS

[type_wild]

Weeell, within the universe of the film, the slavery and the genocide are pretty firmly established as evilwrong things at which any GOOD person should be apalled. Moses is apalled, Moses is good.

Personally, I never bought that an ancient egyptian prince would give more than zero fucks about slaves being murdered en masse. But the film is ultimately about a hero who thinks like a 21st C person, because yeah precious mythology and most kids aren't read on historically accurate descriptions of the morals of way-back-when.

[(Anonymous)]

I think another important piece is that the original story doesn't have any real historical truth (or at least, there's no extra-biblical evidence that the events took place, and it's hard to see how they could have done so). It's a Hebrew myth where the Egyptians are straight-up the bad guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Moses was only appalled when he discovered he was really a Hebrew himself.

[(Anonymous)]

And how is God killing the firstborns any better than what Seti did?

[(Anonymous)]

And! Fun fact! The ancient Egyptians didn’t actually have slaves.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this one of those things where people get very involved about the precise, specific definition of "slavery"

I know they didn't have slaves building the pyramids, but that doesn't mean there were no slaves at all

[(Anonymous)]

It may be 'fun' but it's incorrect. They absolutely did.