[ SECRET POST #4345 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4345 ⌋

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Notes:

Sorry for the exceptionally late, thought I'd already posted this today! At least it'll be here for everybody in the morning.

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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/qG0a4Dx.png

I think he'd be better than the Dursleys.

[(Anonymous)]

But that is not a high bar to clear.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it really isn't. I just see so many fics about how AWESOME!!!! he'd be as a parent and how great Harry would have turned out and etc etc etc. It's like they don't know Sirius "Reckless to a Fault" Black.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I don't think he'd be the best ever. I will say that sometimes people who were wild in their youth settle into parenthood well, though I don't think he'd be one of them - I actually think he would swing between indulgent and neglectful.

Re: OP

[rosehiptea]

He really never struck me as parent material either.

[(Anonymous)]

Blue and orange?

[philstar22]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality

Not that I agree with the secret, but this is where the "blue and orange" comes from.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that he would have killed Harry.

[analise]

I assumed they meant in a more neglectful or reckless manner. More accidental manslaughter than actual murder.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's a huge leap OP is making. At least Sirius wouldn't beat him up like Dursley and his friends. Nor lock him in a broom cupboard like Vernon. Nor whack him in the head with a pan like Petunia. Honestly life with Sirius would be helluva lot cozier than the Dursleys.

[(Anonymous)]

I assumed peoplke wanted him to raise Harry because 1) Harry wanted that and they wanted Harry to be happy, and 2) they thought he and Lupin could be gay dads or something.

[philstar22]

I was all for 1. And honestly, Harry didn't need that much parenting. What he needed more than anything else was a parental figure who loved him. I think he and Sirius could have figured it out together.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Sirius, but blue and orange is giving him WAY too much credit.

he doesn't have a totally alien system. he's just a deeply unhealthy person with stunted maturity and a vindictive streak and no default breaks

all of which makes perfect sense given his history

I think the fact that he was *drawn* to James and Remus and *let* them point him, after receiving a steady stream of deeply toxic values from his family that we only rarely see other purebloods break away from, speaks to the fact that he wants and tries to be a good person, even if he has major and disastrous and spiteful fuckups on the way

would Sirius have made a great parent? no. but I think it's either disingenuous or stupid to extrapolate from his treatment of Snape, whom he hates, to Harry, whom he loves possibly more than anyone alive. Especially when one of the moral values he does hold dear is loyalty. And Harry needed someone who would love him, instead of despising, dismissing, using, or manipulating him, very badly.

not to mention, he's the parent Harry wants. that kind of matters to people, when it comes to abused kids having agency, and when it comes to people interpreting a book through the lens of its POV character.

and lastly of all an AU where Sirius gets to adopt Harry is also one where he isn't forced into hiding in Grimmault, and possibly able to work on some of his damage

[(Anonymous)]

The Wizarding World doesn't seem to have a lot of therapy going on, js. And no, it's not just his treatment of Snape, but what we see later on and the snapshots we see of him even before he was arrested. He was reckless to a fault. That's what would have killed Harry, because he has a problem with not thinking things through.

I love Sirius. But he's not a great person and the boner fandom has for him and how he'd be The Best Dad EVAR because Harry, an abused teenager who had a guy feeding into him with not just love but indulgence and encouragement of even some of his more reckless ideas, wanted, well, a positive parental relationship and was an abused teenager. He needed someone like McGonagall. Someone who'd love him but also wouldn't go, "Hey, this sounds cool!" and then not think it through and get Harry killed.

[(Anonymous)]

He was a shit of a teenager (as many teenagers are, and really, considering his family it's not surprising that he had issues), but to say he was amoral as an adult is just silly. He was a member of the Order, meaning he explicitly fought against the genocidal megalomaniac and in defence of equal rights for all wizards. He was loyal to his friends and furious at Peter for betraying them. He loved his godson, treated him with kindness and tried to protect and support him, both on a small scale (the firebolt) and a large one (going to the Dept of Mysteries). He clearly had morals, and objectively good ones at that.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, I read his whole "fought against Voldemort" thing more or less as rebellion against his family and following James' lead than anything else. It's not that he's completely amoral so much as his own morals are downright fucked, and the situation depends on whether I see him applying more blue-and-orange or complete lack of morals.

Also, he INDULGED Harry. He did it to a great degree.

[(Anonymous)]

His morality is honestly pretty common in the world. He's not a terrible person, not a great one either. And he would probably be a fine guardian for Harry in a world that wasn't dealing with the return of Voldemort, with actual structure around him, living out in the open, etc. He was definitely capable of being kind, and he loved Harry. It's not like he was completely devoid of virtues. I don't know if you can judge him solely on his behavior in OOTP. He was a complex character.

ehh...

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh... I have so much to say about this that I want to just not.
Like even the idea that Sirius has guardian over Harry- it already shifts blatant plot points that would otherwise prove him to be a decent father... Even if it's after they reunite, Sirius can just give Harry his own room and it'd be miles ahead of how the Dursley's treated him. In fact, the less than five minutes together he and Harry share, already bypass the years of torment Harry faced. It's a literal fact. The basic statement that he cares for Harry is enough to make him a better parent...

If you're trying to say Sirius would treat Harry any worse than basic unpaid servitude, then that's just a stretch I cannot believe. Sure he's damaged, most of what we see of him is after prison, and he's known nothing but abuse himself. But it is by those facts that Sirius would never treat Harry the same way.
(also if you're implying he takes harry from birth, at that point he'd know remus isn't the spy and probably enlist him for help)

[(Anonymous)]

This is such a dumb argument. He was imprisoned & tortured for over a decade by magical monster guards who literally suck the joy and hope out of your life; we have NO IDEA what kind of a parent he'd be in an AU where he's never taken to Azkaban. It's pretty clear that Azkaban changed him, & there is very little canon material to extrapolate his original personality & moral compass from.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Came here to say this, tbh. We only really know post-Azkaban Sirius. He was there from a pretty early point in his young adulthood. There is no telling whether or not he'd be a good parent if he'd been allowed to age a free man. Plus, there would have been the additional support network from Lupin and others from the wizarding world. Harry would have been 100x better off even if Sirius turned out to be not super parent material.

[(Anonymous)]

You know you can be a "reckless" and mediocre parent but still not KILL the kid--and the kid can even thrive when they're actually LOVED and not shoved into a damn cupboard their o
Whole life, right?

Also Idk where this "McGonagall" should have raised him" argument is coming from--she's kind, but not maternal in the slightest. What about Hagrid?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed

[(Anonymous)]

You're absolutely right. He was one of the few well written characters in the books!

[(Anonymous)]

Who gave Molly Weasley internet access?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL