[ SECRET POST #4399 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4399 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cassandra Clare & her books: TMI/TID/TDA]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Canadian ice dancers Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir]


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[Charmed]


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[Criminal Minds - season 4, episode 8 "Masterpiece"]


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[Tidying Up with Marie Kondo]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I have a pretty low opinion on romantic and sexual love, so I think whatever Scott and Tessa have is much more powerful than that. There are different forms of love, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

I think whatever Scott and Tessa have is much more powerful than that.

Wanting to fuck each other does not mean two people can't also be best friends with a soul-deep respect for each other as artists, athletes, and colleagues. If I ship two characters (whether they're based on real people or fully fictional), I ALWAYS ship them as best friends and life partners, with a profound and abiding respect and admiration for each other. I have literally never shipped a pairing in my life where I just...wanted them to fuck?

There are different forms of love, OP.

And to think, all these years I've been attributing the feelings I have for my friends and family to indigestion. Everything is clear to me now.

Seriously though, nowhere in my secret did I even remotely suggest there weren't other forms of love.

[(Anonymous)]

Wanting to fuck each other does not mean two people can't also be best friends with a soul-deep respect for each other as artists, athletes, and colleagues

Like I said, I have a very low, cynical opinion on romantic and sexual love, so I can't agree. You can keep being a creeper shipping real life people and then get uber defensive about it, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but uhhhh

Like I said, I have a very low, cynical opinion on romantic and sexual love, so I can't agree

this is preeeeettttttty weird, man

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Not really. How close minded and up your ass are you? People are allowed to have differing opinions on all forms of love.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's weird that you have a low opinion of romantic and sexual love. You feel how you feel and we all feel differently about this. But I do think it's odd that you don't believe two people can be best friends and respect each other deeply while also wanting to fuck. I mean, if you think it's rare, I get that. But it does exist. Unless you think every single person who says they have that with their mate is lying.

I don't care if you anti-ship what I ship (MKINYKATIOK). I only mildly give a crap that you're judgey about RPF. I mean, I don't feel bad, so it doesn't really affect me. However, if you insist on stating incredibly obvious facts at me and acting like you're imparting wisdom, yeah, I'm gonna mock you.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I have a right to be judgey about RPF considering you're obsessing over real life people. We've seen the damage and ramifications RPF/obsessive shippers has on real life celebrities, it's not healthy nor should it be condoned. And whatever mockery you can throw at me doesn't really matter because it's coming from a person who's reached the most unhealthy level of fandom and parasocial obsession. You can get defensive and shout YKINMK (as though that term should be applicable to RPF) till you're blue in the face, but fact is, you're kind of sick.

I await the inevitable dogpiling I'm gonna get, but I'm probably not going to see it so go nuts, RPF shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

We've seen the damage and ramifications RPF/obsessive shippers has on real life celebrities, it's not healthy nor should it be condoned.

I don't think it makes sense to conflate RPF and obsessive shippers that way. The obsessive shippers are the ones who do the damage and cause the ramifications. RPF, in and of itself, doesn't. I don't like it myself but if people aren't being dicks about it, I don't see what harm it does.

[(Anonymous)]

I like RPF, but yeah, "fans" who bring it up in Q&As and tweet the actual people about it, or even send them RPF of themselves - that's really, really not cool.

Plus, the majority of RPF makes a point of stating outright "Yo, this is fiction," which I think is a really good thing to do. Just in case some doofus reads it and doesn't have the mental faculties to realize it's not an authorized biography, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm totally with you here. Apparently we're not supposed to say it because it's omg harmless!!! when it absolutely isn't? RPF visibly and actively stresses out the people it's aimed at, and in a lot of cases causes people to put distance between themselves in a desperate bid to make people fucking stop. Look at Chris Colfer and Darren Criss-- they played a gay couple on a TV show and people would not stop shipping them in real life despite several pleas and frantic indication of their significant others... which only made the RPFers worse. It's disgusting and it should be shamed back into the ether.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't forget One Direction, pretty much every youtuber who isn't Dan/Phil (who are just milking it for the fujoshi bucks lbr), the guys from Supernatural.

RPF has been shown to negatively affect real people and their relationships. Acting like "Oh, but I'm not the type to make fan content for my ships, I just like it on the side so it's okay" does not make you any less of a creep. I reccomend the RPF fans ITT look up Struccimovies video essays about fake friends and parasocial relationships on youtube.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd rather people not dogpile you, but I do wish you'd just started with "RPF is wrong" so I could've saved my breath.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm new to this whole thread, but there's a difference between "RPF shippers" and "crazy people". There's a difference between thinking "hey, I think these two people are really cute together and I like watching their interactions and I think they'd make a good couple but I realize that in actuality they're friends and there's nothing romantic going on" and that being the extent of it, and harrassing them on social media/going up to them at cons and asking inappopriate personal questions/sending them porny fanart/etc.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

They've said multiple times that they aren't involved in that way, so it's bizarre that you feel the need to insist that, no, that can't possibly be true, they MUST be fucking because. Uh. Apparently you can't have a relationship like theirs without sex being involved? Please take off your tinhat.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. I will spell this out for you:

I. Do. Not. Think. They. Are. Together. In. Real. Life.

I. Just. Ship. Them.

I. Like. The. Idea. Of. Them. Together. That. Way.

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, or else you have some kind of hangup about RPF and/or people shipping things you don't ship.

[(Anonymous)]

I like that having "some kind of hangup about RPF" is considered a bad thing lol.

Let me spell this out:

They. Are. Real. People.

Who. Have. Asked. People. Not. To. Do. This. Shit.

Because. They're. Platonic.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so THIS is what it's been about all along. Again I say, why not just start with the fact that you're anti-rpf and think it's wrong? That way, we can agree to disagree save save ourselves some time.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually do kind of agree that it's disrespectful if they've specifically asked people not to ship them at all

But that's not the same as RPF being bad in general.

[(Anonymous)]

But nobody's insisting they're fucking? That's just your weird hang up.

[(Anonymous)]

Wanting to fuck each other does not mean two people can't also be best friends with a soul-deep respect for each other as artists, athletes, and colleagues

Yes, and two people, particularly a male and female, who are best friends with a soul-deep respect for each other as artists, athletes, and colleagues don't have to be fucking. As though that somehow makes the relationship even more "deep" and "profound". You imply there aren't any other forms of love, or that sexual lust is the be-all end-all, by automatically jumping to "they must be having sex too!!".

[(Anonymous)]

Whether they're fucking has no impact on how deep or profound their relationship is. It's incorrect to say that fucking automatically makes their relationship more deep; it's also incorrect to say that fucking makes their relationship less deep.

[(Anonymous)]

You imply there aren't any other forms of love, or that sexual lust is the be-all end-all, by automatically jumping to "they must be having sex too!!".

At no point do I imply any such thing, and at no point do I "jump to 'they must be having sex too!'." You are reading things into my comment that simply aren't there.

[(Anonymous)]

They're not mutually exclusive. You can be romantically and sexually attracted, AND have a deep mutual bond of respect as professionals. It's not either/or.

[(Anonymous)]

This argument literally never ends, and never changes. I feel like it needs a meme to encapsulate it and make fun of it, a la "but tell me your thoughts on yaoi."

ITA with you by the way. :)