[ SECRET POST #4480 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4480 ⌋

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09. [SPOILERS for The Umbrella Academy]

[Ellen Page as Vanya]


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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

How is adopted sibling incest universally condemned but childhood sweethearts ending up together are considered cute and romantic? Both grew up together and are not genetically related (so no risk for potential offspring). Either both are creepy or both are fine!

B!S: I am very ace and all of that allo stuff has been confusing me for decades. Fruit, fruit!

Secret inspired by but not only applicable to The Umbrella Academy.

Re: Transcript by OP

[feotakahari]

Why do you think so many anime are about people who want to have sex with their adoptive siblings, complete with insistence that they’re “not blood relatives”?

[(Anonymous)]

What does allo mean? Besides how I answer the phone a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

Allo was an instant messaging mobile app by Google. It died last month. Rip in bits.

[juliamon]

Allosexual, the counterpart to Asexual. Because referring to non-ace people as "sexuals" sounds weird.

[(Anonymous)]

It's such a dumb term.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think your logic is sound. "Growing up together" as in you were friends/acquaintances from childhood isn't the same thing as growing up together as siblings, in the same house, with the same parents.

[ninety6tears]

Yeah. It can hit similar squicks--which is why a lot more people than OP seems to have come across DO dislike childhood sweetheart ships--but it's not the same.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly it probably depends on the level of growing up together? I can see why 'childhood sweetheart' relationships where it's implied they pretty much lived in one another's pockets/were always at the other person's house/called their parents mom and dad also could get squicky to people who are squicked by blood-incest.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends. I do get a bit weirded out when they're kids whose parents were friends and who were essentially raised like siblings. Friends since three years old is pushing it for similar reasons. But I don't think it's that weird if they were friends in middle school, for instance, or if they wove in and out of each other's lives.

[(Anonymous)]

...OP, would you say that you have the same relationship with your parents as with your 3rd grade teacher?

[(Anonymous)]

When it comes to childhood friends, I tend to go by the Westermarck effect. If they knew each other for long enough or young enough that that would realistically apply, then it's much more likely to hit a squick for me.

[(Anonymous)]

because they're not literally raised to be A PART OF YOUR FAMILY, jesus christ, this is just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of making some dumbass 'gotcha' that doesn't even logically check-out.

[(Anonymous)]

While I know it's not what you mean the fruit, fruit comment reminds me of Black Sails. The 'Fruit, Fruit, Tit's Tit's, Plant, Plant' comparison, and I agree with the Black Sails version. Just because something looks the same doesn't mean it is... (and comparing adopted siblings to childhood friends, are nothing alike btw)

[(Anonymous)]

Because siblings are siblings and friends are friends. Duh

/also ace btw, this is not a hard concept to understand

[sparklywalls]

Being brought up to consider someone a brother or sister is different to being brought up as a really close friend for me. That said, I can understand why childhood friends to lovers would weird some people out but the dynamic just isn't set out to be exactly the same for me.

Having said that I was conned into reading an Amazon/Kindle First (the thing where I get a free book once a month) that was marketed as a childhood romance (and it sounded sweet) but it was basically the author writing really terrible completely unsexy sex scenes literally every three pages with the guy going on about how he'd "always" felt this way and that kinda hit a squick I didn't realise I had until that moment. Might have been mostly down to the atrocious writing (and wondering how the hell anyone was giving it 5 stars on Goodreads) though.

[(Anonymous)]

In my day if you shipped incest you just went ahead and did it. You didn't try and twist logic around to find some sort of gotcha where it's NOT incest.

[(Anonymous)]

So... for science. Predictably, some commentators are already getting wound up by the subject. Why does incest in fiction bother people? It's fiction. Why do the details of an imaginary relationship between any two characters matter? How does it effect people in any meaningful way? Why bother to care when there's so much going on in real life that's more worthy of the attention? This goes for literally any other kind of ship too. Why waste the energy being bothered by a ship of all things. Life is so short.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are people thinking that childhood friends parents are raising the friend/ or super close with the other family. I’m thinking back to my childhood and my parents didn’t always like my friends or their families. Or they were just friendly but not friends.

[(Anonymous)]

Fruit, fruit!

I imagine that OP puts strawberries on pizza, kiwi in sandwiches with bacon and lettuce, and tomatoes in cupcakes. After all, it's all fruit!

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, you can't really lump both together in the same category, for reasons people have already stated.

There is a huge difference between being raised as siblings, and being childhood friends. It's true that some friends end up being more like your siblings, but that doesn't mean every friend will be like your sibling. You have to deal with each case differently. Sometimes, a good friendship will lead to a strong, solid romance, with or without childhood roots.

If you don't feel that way, that's fine too. Like I said, each case should be treated differently.

[(Anonymous)]

I (female) grew up with a slightly younger brother (albeit not adopted) and a childhood best friend who was a boy, and the two were definitely not the same thing. In retrospect, my friend was *like* a brother, but that's because while I felt no romantic attraction to my friend when we were little kids, we drifted apart as we entered our teens and it's hard to say things would have stayed that way. If our friendship had lasted beyond puberty, romance certainly could have happened! Meanwhile, there was never any chance of feeling differently about my brother, and I doubt I would feel differently about my brother if my parents had brought him home from an adoption agency rather than the hospital.

[(Anonymous)]

Me and my mom's best friend's son were friends since we were babies and when I was little I always assumed BECAUSE of that that we would get married when we grew up. Our families never said anything to put that idea in my head, it was all on me and the messages I got from the wider world. So yes, I'd say there is a natural difference.

[(Anonymous)]

For me the main issue is the dynamic between the characters in question - Thor and Loki I see as incest, because they were raised as siblings and view each other as siblings. For characters like Allison and Luther from Umbrella Academy, I see the line as being much more blurred - they were told to call each other siblings, but the way they were raised was far from typical for a family and they were clearly shown in flashbacks to have regarded each other much more like childhood sweethearts or friends? (I personally think its kind of gross and unhealthy, but I can see why shippers don't consider it incest.)