[ SECRET POST #4481 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4481 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Hobbit]


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03.
[Tim Burton's Dumbo]


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04.
[Lady Gaga in A Star Is Born]


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05.
[Giles Coren, writer and TV presenter]


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06.
[The Dragon Prince]


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07.
[Quicksand on Netflix]

















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 43 secrets from Secret Submission Post #642.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ayebydan]

Agreed. In this wifi and data age just why?

[(Anonymous)]

For years, I had a plan limited to 3G a month. I literally just got an 8G plan a couple months ago, and also I’ve lost so much good fic when writers pulled to publish or just plain deleted everything every time they changed fandoms. The only edits I’ve made are to fix little spelling/grammar mistakes. I don’t get people switching character names to their OTP; if the fic is that generic, it’s not something I’d want to re-read.

[ayebydan]

Ngl I don't get why you would pull someone's fic to spagbol either.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT—I don’t pull fics for that reason, but because I’m afraid some day they’ll be deleted. But back before AO3’s download option, and in some of my older fandoms where authors still primarily post to ff.net, I used to copy and paste chapters of long fics into a Word document, and at that point the hardest part was adding my latest fandom’s character/place names to the dictionary.

[(Anonymous)]

It sucks to have something you like deleted from existence for eternity.

[ayebydan]

is that not within the authors right tho? to be respected?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT—no. Otherwise published authors, now that ebooks are a thing, could revoke permissions to read stuff thry’d purchasrd, and I never want to go down that road. It’s bad enough that when “buying” most ebooks, you’re actually buying a “revokable any time the publisher wants” license to read them. I work in a public library, and the idea of our shelves emptying out makes me wince.

[(Anonymous)]

If it's posted publicly, no.

[(Anonymous)]

right, maybe. respect? hardly. I've known many an author to go on deleting sprees in fits of pique, depressive episodes, etc, and then later regret it but reposting is far more difficult than deleting.

authors are not sacred idols whose every whim must be considered more important than the whims or desires of their readers. it's a two-way street and authors can be stupid assholes every bit as much as the readers can. and I say this as a fic author, too. I may hate the ever-loving crap out of this 20 year old Star Wars fic of mine, but people love it and while I question their tastes, I'd rather leave it there for them to enjoy than delete it because I think I'm so above myself.

[(Anonymous)]

What about the readers rights?

No but seriously, it's a good lesson in internet basics. If you post it on the internet it exists forever. Whether online or downloaded or printed.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see anything disrespectful about downloading fics. The world won't end. Now, if somebody were to start posting the fic around and taking credit for it... that would obviously be wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Because people delete instead of orphan-ing.

[ayebydan]

with their right tho no?

[(Anonymous)]

And it's also peoples' right to download the fics, at least on AO3, where it's explicitly part of the license, so

*shrug*

[nightscale]

As others have said: people delete their work. Which is well within their right to do, so I'll save a copy myself just in case this happens.

Also: I like to read fic on my kindle because I don't always want to be online to do so, so I'll download fic I love for that purpose.

[ayebydan]

is that not within the authors right tho? to be respected? that they don't want you to have access to that work?

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but what about respecting the readers? Two way street, bucko.

[nightscale]

Tbh a lot of the fic I saved is stuff that got deleted because of old-archive purges and LJ comms going up in smoke, it just made me learn from that era of the internet and realise that it could happen to Ao3 too.

For all I know some of the fic I have has been deleted, but I don't go back to fics I've read so I have no idea.

Also fyi: I've deleted my own fics before, I doubt anyone's saved them anywhere, but if they have: I don't care. People can have a copy of it to themselves to read when they want even if I don't personally like the fic anymore. I put it out onto the internet and as such accept the fact that people can and will save it if they want. No skin off my nose.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m weirded out by this attitude, because I feel like reuploading someone’s pulled work is disrespectful, but reading a downloaded work is like rereading a favorite book. Sometimes authors might hate their earlier work and wish it wasn’t out in the world, but if you’re that kind of author, I think maybe you shouldn’t publish stuff in the first place. But then, I’d be flattered someone liked my work, so long as they didn’t claim it was theirs or something.

[(Anonymous)]

No, once something's published, it's published. I spent twenty years in bookselling and I can only think of one instance in which something was taken off the shelves, and no instances in which people who had bought books were compelled to return them for destruction. It's part of the act of publishing that the work goes beyond the author's control.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to be honest, reading your other things here, you sound incredibly paranoid that someone might read your old stuff, or even enjoy your old stuff and *gasp* not see you as the pure, virginal, unproblematic caricature of a person Tumblr wants everyone to be.

[(Anonymous)]

So I can read it some place where I don't have wifi or a signal or the wifi is on the fritz that day or it's not secure or I would have to pay a lot for it?

Considering that internet fic pre-dates wifi and smartphones, the assumption that no one should ever want to download something off the internet and online fic should therefore be untouchable is kind of silly. Before the internet, there were zines, and good luck editing or revoking your fic then!

I rarely download fics, but when I do it's only via the download button on AO3. Do authors have an option to not allow that? If so, they should consider not activating that button if they aren't comfortable with people downloading a fic.

[ayebydan]

There are many, many ways to get around that. Or just accept that fanfic is not something available to you now in those times.

Those were different times. Where you posted your fic under different conditions.

And afaiaa, we can't stop the downloads at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Honey. You sound old. I’m sure the authors whose works were handwritten bemoaned the invention of the printing press too because they could no longer control the dissemination of their works.

You have rights as the creator. A lot of them end the moment you make something public. If you don’t want people reading your work, fearing one day you’ll be embarrassed by it, there’s a very simple solution: don’t publish it anywhere.

We collect things that spark joy in us. We’re entitled to happiness. If you don’t want people deriving happiness from your work, don’t put it out in the world.

You must accept you will NEVER EVER have complete control over your work once it is out in the public sphere. This isn’t reposting, this isn’t plagiarism. This is retaining a freely posted work for your own private consumption. It’s legal, and it’s harmless. Move on.

[(Anonymous)]

Those were different times. Where you posted your fic under different conditions.

The conditions haven't really changed, though. People could find ways to keep their own copies of fic then, and they can do it now. There's no stopping it. The fact that there are arguably fewer reasons to save fic doesn't mean no one ever wants to anymore or that people suddenly have a duty not to. The rules haven't changed.

I believe people can delete or change whatever they want, but putting it out there means accepting that you do not have 100% control over how people experience it. What if you edit a fic but someone doesn't come back and re-read it, even though they didn't download it? The memory of the fic that they carry with them will be the un-revised version, and you can't edit that out of their brain.