[ SECRET POST #4495 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4495 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/hRZKwPc.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's sort of like... ship what you want, like the characters you like, but have you considered *not* deluding yourself about the actual personalities you're dealing with?

[(Anonymous)]

Widdle Woobie Ben is a villain
Rey is not going to heal his broken heart with her magic vagina

Folks should deal

[(Anonymous)]

OMG I saw this post on tumblr that was actually a repost of a thread on twitter that was someone basically talking about how the Millennium Falcon and Rey's ability to fly it/fix it/etc was actually a metaphor for Ben Solo and how she was meant to fix him and they'd become married and idek. I was really confused.

[philstar22]

You know, I don't like woobification, but if that's what people want, I think I'm coming around to the idea that people should be able to do things how they want even if it seems really strange to me. But when I ship enemy/hero ships (I don't ship Kylo/Rey much at all), a large part of the fun for me is actually making it work. If the villain is woobified, to me that removes a lot of the fun.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm generally on the "roll eyes and move on to the next thing" side regarding woobification myself, but it does get grating when woobie!X fans act like the woobification is canon and X should be present in scenes and promotional bits centered around the heroes when X is a villain.

[(Anonymous)]

But when I ship enemy/hero ships (I don't ship Kylo/Rey much at all), a large part of the fun for me is actually making it work.

DA - Agreed. Reylo mildly piqued my interest after TLJ, but when I went on AO3 looking for fics, I quickly got discouraged by my inability to find fics that actually felt like the put in the work to make Reylo, well, work.

Even in really long fics, where you'd think there'd be plenty of time to sloooowly build their connection and develop their characters and such, what I mostly found was semi-woobified Ben Solo, and sexy pining right from chapter one.

And that's fine. But it's so not my scene.

[rosehiptea]

If people are into woobification then they are and there's not much point in opposing it IMO. But people who think it should be or even is canon confuse me. I don't hate Kylo Ren or even Reylo itself, but it's not like he's a good person or nice to Rey in canon. And yeah, if there were more Reylo fic which acknowledged that Kylo is a lousy person I'd probably read more of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I absolutely LOVE Kylo, but he's A BAD GUY WHO DOES EVIL THINGS. I keep seeing posts that say "BEN SOLO DID NOTHING WRONG!!!" and yeah, NO.

[(Anonymous)]

Except Daisy's also said that Rey "really sees the, like, glimmer in Kylo. That there’s some good there, and she goes with it. And I thinks that’s pretty wonderful… I think he is redeemable."

So.

[philstar22]

Which is not the same thing as saying there is a romance? Rey can see good in him without being romantically attracted to him. Nor is it the same thing as woobification, unless you think any redemption is woobification, including Darth Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi.

[(Anonymous)]

Kay, so... I have a fandom where I lowkey ship the protagonist with one of her first villains. And he's a pretty bad dude! Not, like, intergalactic genocide bad, but still pretty bad!
The trick, though, is how I d o n 't sit around talking about how he's a poor misunderstood soul who has been Done Wrong and just needs Love and Understanding to Save Him. Cos he's a bad person, and if wanted to stop, he could.

[(Anonymous)]

It'd be nice if we could know what you're talking about instead of you just being vague.

[(Anonymous)]

Woobification is annoying and unfortunately ubiquitous, but honestly I'm more annoyed by this condescending as shit attitude people take towards these "delusional" fans.

How about being a little more charitable? Like maybe, instead of assuming they're dumb and don't know any better, assume that woobifying Kylo Ren is just THEIR jam?

On a side note, I'm really put off by all these actors giving us gentle reminders that villains are villains.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not like any of these actors are jumping into fandom conversations to rain on your parade. Fans need to stop trying to get actors to side with their headcanons and ships, especially if they're going to be put off by the actors not agreeing with them.

[(Anonymous)]

If they're just writing fic or producing art or writing speculative meta about woobie Kylo or whoever, sure, be charitable and assume they're just having fun and are aware that the canon villain is, in fact, a villain.

If they're complaining about images centering on the heroes leaving their woobie fave out because clearly he's meant to be there, they're deluding themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

On a side note, I'm really put off by all these actors giving us gentle reminders that villains are villains.

DO you really think that the example presented in the secret is really off putting...? Really? Someone is asking why there's no Ben Skywalker (that name a hell of stretch in itself) in the promo pic meant to show the characters who come together to fight against thsi very character? What kind of promo materials does this person expect? What version of teh movies has been playing in their head?

[(Anonymous)]

Who here thinks third time will be the charm for Kylo's supposed redemption arc?

[(Anonymous)]

It's an ongoing story, they're not going to resolve the storyline in the middle.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Kylo probably will be saved, but it will probably have more to do with Mark Hammill's super-powered snark than Rey's force vagina.

[(Anonymous)]

Canon absolutely woobified Kylo in TLJ. Yeah, he's still the bad guy, but he's a bad guy they really want you to feel sorry for.

[(Anonymous)]

I must have watched it wrong because I really didn't get that. I thought they teased woobifying him and then said "Nyah, nyah, got you! None of that backstory matters because he's an evil sack of shit."

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still hoping Rey is Anakin's soul, incarnate in a new body for another go-round...

(I can dream.)

[(Anonymous)]

Would that make her hooking up with Kylo incest?

[(Anonymous)]

At least for myself, I like it BECAUSE it's messed up.