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⌈ Secret Post #4511 ⌋

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Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

So that was... definitely a thing that happened.

Re: Game of Thrones

[philstar22]

I'm not watching the final. I will read a recap. And then on rewatches I will ignore season 8. Just. No. If this is the route they wanted to go, they needed to do a lot more to make it believable. So many people keep saying it was foreshadowed, and sure, maybe. But that's not the same thing as believable character development. They needed to make it gradual. Going from only targeting legitimate targets to suddenly being totally cool with civilian casualties? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not sure I've been this angry about the end of a show since How I Met Your Mother.

Re: Game of Thrones

[kaijinscendre]

Game of Thrones offered them money to do two full seasons 7 & 8. The offered them money for a season 9. I hope these two writers are remembered for fucking this up FOREVER.

Re: Game of Thrones

[philstar22]

Ugh. And there were ways they could have started this development earlier. I've seen people talk about how this is perfectly believable because Dany had done things like this before. Except, no. Going from no civilian deaths to all the civilian deaths is a big deal. And would not just happen after one line about the civilians not fighting against their oppressor. That's not who Dany is. There were ways to make her go dark that would have been believable.

Sadly, there seems to be a good amount of positive response to this, for some reason I can't fathom (check out the Entertainment Weekly coverage for example).

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I think some of the plots could have worked and made sense if they'd given themselves another two full length seasons to develop them properly instead of trying to cram everything into six episodes. Some things were just too WTF to work at all.

Re: Game of Thrones

[philstar22]

I agree completely.

Re: Game of Thrones

[kaijinscendre]

Is this collapsed? I got a book.

SPOILERS

[kaijinscendre]

So...I like the episode more today than I did yesterday. But that doesn't say much.

I liked a lot of the spectacle. Had this been the culmination of a whole season, it would have been amazing. Mad Queen Dany is pretty awesome. Emilie Clarke can really sell the crazy.

Sadly, it wasn't. It was Dany going from like a 3 to 100. So, it felt too sudden to feel natural. But that is the theme of this season. Same goes for the Unsullied and Northerners. They just suddenly start raping and pillaging???

Also, Dany is such a Nice Guy. WHY WON'T MY NEPHEW FUCK ME AFTER I WAS SO NICE TO HIM??!?!?!?

Varys's death was stupid as fuck as well. Why would Tyrion snitch on him?! How did Varys, the sneakiest fucker ever, get so sloppy? Why would Jon be okay with them just killing him in the middle of the night by FIRE? I guess I can at least rationalize that by saying Jon and Tyrion are terrified of her.

Jaime and Cersei's end was stupid as fuck. Jaime's character development was a fucking loop. It completely disregards all the changes he has made in his life. The man who ruined his reputation to save King's Landing suddenly doesn't give a fuck about innocents? Okay. I don't even understand WHY he went North. He could have stayed in the South with Cersei this whole time and nothing would have changed in terms of his story line.

And then Cersei dies in a fucking cave in? In the arms of his lover? In a way that is seemingly supposed to illicit sympathy from the viewers? Like, boo hoo, your baby is going to die? You deserve you hateful monster. She did not deserve to die sympathetically in the same episode Dany turned full tilt evil.

Also, Euron should have just died on the boat. The fight between him and Jaime was pointless and didn't add anything to the story.

In relation to that, why did the fleet suddenly lose their ability to shoot weapons? Or really mount any kind of counter attack? Again, I have to reach and say, that the sun apparently made them lose all ability to aim.

I did like some of it.

While I didn't like the how suddenly Dany turned Mad Queen, the actual event was brutally well done. The footage of Arya running around in the horror was reminiscent (probably purposefully) of 9/11 footage. With the ash billowing down, people running covered in blood, and destroyed buildings. There was a silent part were I thought, "Oh, we should be hearing sirens".

I was genuinely distressed during all of the destruction. It was just so horrific. Had it been the culmination of a season of build up, it would have been even more impactful.

Speaking of, Arya and the Hound's final conversation was great. I love that he is the one that tells her killing Cersei is not worth it. I also love that Arya rides out on a white horse. Is it symbolic of her letting go of her list? Or, has she become death upon a pale horse? Or, did they just have a white horse around?

Another thing I enjoyed was Cleganebowl. It was everything I wanted it to be. Plus the environment was fantastic. The stairs collapsing around them as the smoke billows in is great. I was fine with them both dying.

I mentioned above that I don't get why the Northerners went nuts. I sort of get the Unsullied and Dothraki. That is their thing. But the Northerners were not really part of that. However, I do like Jon's facial expressions. Just his utter devastation at what Dany and his Northern army has done. Kit Harrington did very good this episode.

Re: SPOILERS

[philstar22]

You liked it better than I did then because I hated about 90% of it. I don't even like Jaime and even then I thought it was stupid to throw his character development out the window. And if that was their plan with Dany, they needed to do a hell of a lot more to sell it.

And, of course, they have the Northern army do it but leave Jon out of it. Because flawless Jon Snow has to remain flawless. Ugh. No.

Re: SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I don't get Jaime's story this season. He chooses to leave Cersei even though she's pregnant with his child and on the verge of being usurped. If he was still in love with Cersei and has been faithful to her his whole life, what's changed now that he's decided to stop?

His entire relationship with Brienne he's always defended her honour, and now what? He just wanted to ruin her life by taking her virginity and then fucking off? When like five minutes ago if anyone else had done the same thing he would have killed them?

Did he just want to prove to himself that he was horrible like Cersei and they deserved each other? Was that what the writers were trying to do? Because it just reads like two different people arguing over Jaime's story this season and then agreeing they should do both a Jaime is a good person who realises Cersei sucks and leaves her storyline AND a Jaime is a shit person who will only ever love Cersei storyline.

The only moment I can remember linking the two was Tyrion's line about how Jaime knew what Cersei was like the whole time. So are we supposed to think he was lying to himself about that or what?

Euron. Ugh. Do not get me started. Magical pirate bullshit plot device.

I'm mad Sandor is dead too. I knew it was likely but fuck it I wanted him to go back with the Starks and be a fat happy old man after killing Gregor.

Re: SPOILERS

[nightscale]

Is it symbolic of her letting go of her list? Or, has she become death upon a pale horse? Or, did they just have a white horse around?

Deep in your heart, you know which option it is.

Re: SPOILERS

[el_regrs]

So I'm holding out hope Jaime isn't dead, partly because we haven't seen any dead bodies, but mostly because I'm an eternal moron who'll likely be proven wrong next week.

There was this weird moment just before Euron died, and he was gloating about having killed Jaime, and he LOOKS UP AT THE CAMERA as if to drive the point home. It's random things like that that make me think this is a fake-out and maybe the worst of the rubble didn't take Jaime out.

Of course, everything and everyone is trying to point to any other conclusion. I swear anyone who's given an interview on this episode has lost their mind. It used to be, oh, J/B, what a great unspoken romance, it was meant to be! and now it's J/C were destined to be together, it was always known and they could never escape it! Make. up. your. goddamn. minds. JFC.

Re: SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

I like the episode better than the last one too, but weirdly I'm now even unhappier about how we got up here because, yeah, if this had been the culmination of seasons-long buildup everything would have been so much more impactful.

I am also of the (maybe controversial?) opinion that this last episode is actually the ending GRRM intended. Yes, even the fact that Jaime's character arc is a circle. The show gave themselves fuck all time to set up all the plot beats effectively, but I think this is where we are meant to end up.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeaah.. I quit watching in the middle of the episode when it became obvious that the leaks were true, so no final episode for me. It looks like Dexter just lost its title as the Worst Series Ending ever.

Re: Game of Thrones

[nightscale]

Ha.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

God what did I even watch? I'm honestly really glad I gave up caring about the overall writing on this show because this was easily one of the worst episodes they've ever done.

I liked some of the individual scenes: Dany's murder-rampage while pulled completely from nowhere(BELLS??? LMAO) and OOC as hell, looked really cool. I was just 100% put off by the absolutely manipulative as fuck writing that wanted me to think she's now Pure Evil so kept showing me screaming/crying civilians. No show, that's not how it works, this makes no sense so I'm actually enjoying the dragon burning everything to the ground. Looks neat.

I love Cersei and thus was not down for her ending at all. She was Queen Bitch, let her die like Queen Bitch thanks. Spitting and spiteful 'till the end, not some bizarre-ass sympathy grab to make Dany look worse.

Fish man was beyond annoying and stuck about far too long, but hey at least he died.

Jon is a boring character and would make a terrible king because he doesn't want it, y'know the same reason Robert was such a bad king? Remember that show? Ofc you don't, lol.

I feel real sorry for all the J/B shippers out there, the show did you so dirty. :(

The Sandor vs bro fight was cool, probably one of my favourite scenes.

The show's got some funny lines as well, at least a few exchanges made me chuckle. Oh and any and all Tyrion+Jamie scenes are good, those two work well off each other.

So, who do we think is gonna be Queenslayer? Jon or Arya?

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I think they could have done a fantastic mad queen plot if they gave themselves the time to do it properly, but they did not. So now we have Dany sulking and looking sad for a bit and then just deciding to roast some babies? Idk.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THE ROBERT AND JON THING. Jon doesn't even want to run Winterfell when he's living there. He couldn't even manage being Lord Commander of the night's watch and that's like... ten whole guys at the time. :/


As a J/B shipper I appreciate that other people are also WTFing and wanting to hug Brienne and punch a dead man and maybe the writers too.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I know Cersei is capable of vulnerability, but yikes this episode. The last few seasons she's been established as having become cold and always scheming because she has nothing left, and this episode the writers were like, "She's just going to stand around and then cry into Jaime's arms." Like, OK. Actions have consequences? And the consequence to Cersei's actions is she dies privately in the arms of her lover twin.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

Varys

Nooo

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot of unanswered questions about Varys! The show hinted at things and then no answers were delivered.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

Arya didn't kill anyone, yet so many characters were assassinated.

Re: Game of Thrones

[el_regrs]

Yup.

I feel like I'm defending this show every week and then getting slapped in the face the following week with a "fuck you, we didn't need you defending us because whatever thing in the books or show you thought was relevant, we're dumping a steaming pile of shit pudding on!" paddle.

Just give me some goddamn reason to believe D&D understand anything about characterization, character development and character arcs. I'll admit the Tyrion/Jaime scene was sweet, but Jaime might as well have beat Tyrion to death with his golden hand as a mirror to season 2's Alton Lannister murder, and then run out of the tent screaming "Wheeeeee!" without any pants on, for all the regression he did this episode. I'm hoping the fact he never kissed Cersei once or told her he loved her is proof his heart is still with Brienne, and he only really cares for Cersei as a sibling.

I also hate how they handled Dany. Her descent into madness I could buy, but the transition was lame, rushed, and unconvincing. There was nothing respectful about the way it was done. Sure, she might have snapped. And then made a beeline for Cersei. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocents because WAHHH NOBODY WUVS ME? At this point in time, with the way the writing has been, no, I don't think she has that in her.

Cleganebowl was decent. Good scenery there, with the burning, crumbling city. I also liked Uncle Sandor trying to set Arya free of her grudge, and Arya showing gratitude.

All the interviews are confusing as fuck, and either everyone is smoking crack, has weekly amnesia, or is putting on the greatest troll show in the history of television trolling. I can't tell, but I don't appreciate it at all. And if that means I have no sense of humor, then I don't care.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I hated Jaime and Cersei's death so much. Jaime leaving Cersei was supposed to be symbolic to Jaime's sense of honor winning over his destructive love for Cersei. Actions are supposed to have consequences and the consequence to Jaime choosing to be an honorable man is to run back to his destruction?
And really, if Jaime were to return to Cersei and die with her, why did he sleep with Brienne? I am willing to give the writers the excuse of, "They entered the world together so they exit the world together. This is the only way to kill them off." But thematically, it comes off cheap and an obvious move to service the fans to have him sleep with Brienne before going back to Cersei.
The unspoken love between Jaime and Brienne is symbolic of Jaime's redemption as a man of honor, and if he and Brienne didn't sleep together it would mean that Jaime was still struggling to conclude his redemption arc; he didn't feel worthy of being with someone as honorable as Brienne. He would have earned the death with Cersei because he gives up his sense of honor to be with the woman he loves, calling back to when he said, "the things I do for love," before pushing Bran out the window. He gives up path toward honor to die with the woman he loves.
Sleeping with Brienne but not returning to Cersei (or at least return to be the one to murder her) would have completed the redemption arc. Jaime has accepted that he can be honorable, because he is with an honorable woman who brings out the best in him. He has fully accepted that he is worthy of her. And let's say he sleeps with Brienne and returns to kill Cersei, even then the words of, "the things I do for love," will still have meaning. His love for Cersei pushes him to kill her to save the 7 kingdoms from another violent battle. And also, it rings back to him being called "King's Slayer", and again, it would have forced him to make this impossible choice and his sense of honor motivates him to commit a murder that he doesn't want to carry out.
But instead he fucks Brienne and goes back to Cersei because he feels like he needs to die with Cersei. Because D&D subverted our expectations and for some reason that's supposed to be the real good writing. We thought Jaime was able to call himself a man of honor after fighting in the North with Brienne and knighting her and confessing to her he loved her and sleeping with her, but NO! All that character growth and seeds being planted are thrown out the window because D&D wanted to subvert our expectations by reverting Jaime back to being a selfish idiot. And maybe give fan service to the Cersei stans by giving her a beautifully sad and emotional death with the one character left who she has any fond feelings toward.

And Euron should have just been burned by Drogon. That stupid fight was such a waste of time. No one cared.

Re: Game of Thrones

[philstar22]

As a Cersei fan, I can say that I and the others I know of didn't want it. She's evil and glorious for it. I wanted her to go out spectacularly. I wanted a spectacular death at the specific hands of someone she wronged. I did not want this.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

I went into this season not caring if Jaime died because he's still a sister-fucker who pushed a kid out a window, but WTF. Apparently he was still in love with Cersei even with all the bad blood between them. Plus he left. And he fell for Brienne. But apparently he loves Cersei above all else and she's totes pregnant with his baby. WTF.

Re: Game of Thrones

[(Anonymous)]

So I was the only one here who really enjoyed the episode? Okay.