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[ SECRET POST #4683 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4683 ⌋

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If not, why not? And if you do, are there are kinks that go too far for you?

I do. And as long as it's fiction and the person can separate fiction from reality, nothing is too far for me.

I believe in YKINMK as in, I won't harass you over it. But, I also won't talk or interact with you if I know you get off to children being sexually abused.

Do you make any distinction between RL children and fictional children?

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(Anonymous) - 2019-11-01 23:21 (UTC) - Expand

Seconding this.

As for the person asking if I make a distinction between fiction and reality, I mean, obviously. If someone were harming real life kids and I witnessed it, I'd report them to the police and hope they got put away. If someone is getting off to fictional children being sexually abused, I just won't interact with them. That's a pretty significant distinction, I'd say.

Thirding this.

I'm a teacher, so not only does the idea of underage porn really intrinsically disgust me, but I've seen teenagers who have been abused and I want absolutely no part of anything close to that. I wouldn't harass someone over a fictional kink, but I wouldn't associate with them if their kink involved minors.

And as the other nonnie said, I absolutely draw the line between fiction and reality. Fictional underage, and I just don't want to interact with them. RL underage, and I'm reporting them. (Which, being a teacher I'm legally obligated to do as a mandated reporter.)

The ability to disengage from any contact with kinks you find unpalatable - up to and including not engaging with the people who have that kink - is a crucial part of YKINMK.

At least it used to be, before the rise of anti bullshit polarized everything.

I'm kind of this way, too.

I do, no exceptions.

Apparently my morality meter is nonfunctional when it comes to fiction.

As long as people give all the appropriate tags and warnings and so forth, I don't give a shit what they write or draw.

There are some kinks that I think are morally wrong.

Absolutely and with zero reserve in fiction. IRL I'm ok wth consenting adults doing whatever they want amongst themselves. Take away consent or bring in kids or animals and I bring out my pitchfork.

In fiction yes. In real life no.

Kind of? If you're talking about actual kinks, then yeah, I don't care, people can do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anyone.

But if we're talking about actual abuse (even with fictional characters) and acting like it's okay? No, that's not acceptable and "but it's fiction!" is not a valid argument to me.

...what? You don't mind "as long as they're not hurting anyone", but "actual abuse (even with fictional characters)"? What? Do you think if I draw a picture of Dennis the Menace getting a clip over the ear that counts as child abuse? Who do you think is being hurt by this?

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actual abuse (even with fictional characters)

Oxymoron. If it's fiction, it's not "actual." It's make-believe. That's what "fiction" means.

Re: Inspired by 10: Do you believe in "Your Kink Is Not My Kink"?

(Anonymous) - 2019-11-02 01:17 (UTC) - Expand

Yup. Kink away. Get as nasty as you want. Just tag that stuff. I truly do not care.

Yep. I don't give a shit what you write or read so long as it is cut and tagged appropriately.

Yes. I also believe that fiction is fiction and that as long as it doesn't impact real life, people can enjoy what they want in fiction. I think we can talk about how some things impact the popularity of something, like sexism impacting the popularity of maledom vs. femdom, but not what an individual person likes.

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Re: Inspired by 10: Do you believe in "Your Kink Is Not My Kink"?

philstar22 - 2019-11-02 16:42 (UTC) - Expand

Not really anymore. Lately it's become code for "how dare you question any kink." Sure, I don't think anyone should get fired or jailed for erotica, porn, or consensual sex. But in my lifetime there are some obvious trends in the popular kinks, which end up putting unrealistic expectations on real-life people.

So I think it's reasonable to ask, "hey, what the fuck is up with all this stepmom/stepsister, choking, cuck, and mock deception porn going around? Is it a good thing that we've gone from acceptable bushes to nearly mandatory universal waxing in a generation?"

I mean, fucking hell, the Katie Hill case is a classic example of a former unicorn hunter flipping and becoming abusive, something that's happened to many of my bi peers. Is it reasonable to say that I don't fucking trust straight unicorn hunters? Is it reasonable to say that I'm just sick of straight people preening about how getting off on my sexuality makes them progressive, when they're still culturally entitled to get nasty and abusive?

So no, I'm not going put kink into a box and lock it away as immune from criticism. And "safe, sane, and consensual" requires dealing honestly with the political baggage that come with our kinks. That includes mine as well as yours.

In fiction, anything and everything goes.

In real life, I support MOST kinks, except for potentially life threatening ones like "Bug catching" (purposely infecting people with AIDS.) Also, Pedophilia and Bestiality can fuck right off.

Edited 2019-11-02 18:12 (UTC)

absolutely, so long as I have an ability to filter out, avoid, or block things I don't personally enjoy. I have a bunch of kinky rp friends who like to write kinks I have zero interest in, and they're great, we talk about a lot of things together and enjoy our fandom. but they don't ask me to write those kinks with them and I have easy ways to opt out of conversations about said kinks. win-win-win.

toddlercon tho. if there's anyone who actually finds it hot and isn't into producing it because it's the ultimate taboo, well. that's a hard no I can't let you have that kink.

at this point no, not when people truss up their pedo rape fic as pRoGrEsSiVe fEmInIsM because they want to make their sick as shit kinks out to be fucking social activism.

if i'm gonna judge men for being creepy/weird about teens/kids i am going to have the exact same standards towards women.

Another one for fiction does not equal reality. Yes,there is stuff out there that skeeves me out, massively. Would I interact? Case by case basis. Your typical shipper is harmless.

That said, I'm a gore hound who's just old enough to remember Satanic Panic, so "doesn't distinguish between real and fiction morally" is a parade of red flags.

Yup, but it never meant what most of the people champion it these days think it means. YKINMKATOK and its sister saying, MKINYKATOK, was about respecting people in their own spaces. It meant "I'm not going to try to shut your yiff site down or police what you post in your own blog, so have your fun with that. And also, you're not going to post your untagged MLP porn all over the general fansite, because if it's not consensual on all sides it's not a kink, it's an assault." YKINMK was never some sort of ward against side-eyes if you're going run around fandom screaming about how wet Loki skull-fucking kittens makes you.

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