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⌈ Secret Post #4710 ⌋

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Eh... I doubt it's rooted in wanting the poor to be happy poor. More that rich villains, especially rich adult villains, are one of the simplest types of villains to write. Barring legit emotional or mental disorders or disabilities, which usually aren't included, there's no way to punch down to a billionaire. So the audience is free to hate this character who theoretically needs nothing from anyone else and is set for life, and can rest assured that any evil actions they take are them choosing to act like a dick when they don't have to. Like who's gonna pressure them? The commoners? lol

Real life is more complicated than that, of course, and if it's idk rich ten year olds with awful parents like Draco in real life, that's complicated even further. But it being so common in fiction probably has more to do with it being just... easy, than any conspiracy

There is no way to make that much money without doing things that are at best immoral and unethical, at worst, illegal.

These people may be nice or superficially pleasant, but really they are bad people.

And people who grow up with inherited wealth? You really think they aren't spoiled brats? How could they not be? "Mommy and Daddy have billions, but you're going to wear hand-me-downs"?

The only way to not be spoiled is to have hand me downs? okay.

It's clearly a rhetorical phrase

My family is rich and I still had hand-me-downs. It was just practical.

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takestime - 2019-11-29 01:33 (UTC) - Expand

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There is no way to make that much money without doing things that are at best immoral and unethical, at worst, illegal.

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IDK I don't consider Bill Gates to be particularly unethical

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(Anonymous) - 2019-11-29 12:57 (UTC) - Expand

I've never thought of that. Rich people being spoiled and the like is a media stereotype I don't really associate with people in real life. But that might just be me...

"wanting to keep poor people complicit with being poor"
I'm sure of it. I have been for years.

I also think that when a rich character is benevolent, it's a con/unrealistic, haha.

Though if I were in fact rich, I'm sure I wouldn't turn into an asshole. Pretty sure.

In my experience, while not all real life rich people are villains, a lot of the traits you see in media of them hold true. They really don't have any grasp of what things are like for the poor or even the middle class, they look down on the poor and judge them, and they either don't care about making ethical purchases/getting money ethical ways or are simply willfully ignorant of the actual implications of things.

I think this is the problem most people have with the rich. They tend to be completely divorced from the reality the rest of us have to face.

I can't say I feel the same. I'll take the money in a heartbeat. Once I'm rich I'll be able to do a lot more charitable stuff than I currently can, I'll be generous to my close family and to the friends I've had since childhood, and the general population can think what they want about me. I don't care.

Would I want to have grown up rich? That's a bit trickier, since now we're talking about something that's going to change my personal identity and could potentially make me a worse person. But honestly, still yes? I think if I'd grown up rich, I wouldn't be dealing with a lot of the low-key trauma I sustained in childhood due to being poor, and maybe I wouldn't be such an utter mess of a person now. I mean, like pretty much all pie-in-the-sky wishes, wishing I'd grown up rich could definitely backfire on me in a major way. But I'm willing to take the odds it'd be a change for the better.

The poor, poor rich

I honestly pity rich kids who didn't choose to be rich and are decent people. If I were one I'd donate my money as soon as I was financially independent, if I could last that long without killing myself because I'm depressed (I'd still have my depression because money can't fix your brain) AND the media's telling everyone to hate me.

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Eh...I've been both of these, and honestly I prefer to be rich. Life is just better with money. However, learning how not to give a fuck what anyone thinks about you is a very valuable thing, OP, even though it's tough to do.

Batman/Bruce Wayne is rich and still the hero, although his tragic past helps him a bit. I think it depends on what the rich character is shown doing with their time/money that determines how well they're received. Are they honorable or corrupt? Are they charitable or greedy? Rich characters can just as easily be the hero as they can the villain.

This!

I mean, Batman is still a criminal. Vigilantism is a criminal act. Sure, he may be a hero, but I really don't think it makes him a good guy, because he is breaking the law. He is excessively violent, cannot be held accountable for his actions because of the secret identity, and endangers children.

IMO, Batman in particular has a lot of rich privilege and if he really wanted to help the world, he'd focus more on social projects that actually help people, including people who turn to crime to support themselves, rather than work out his trauma through punching people. If he even focused more on just solving crimes, that would be more helpful.

(I know in the context of the DC universe he sort of makes sense, but in the real world, no.)

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cloudtrader - 2019-11-30 16:53 (UTC) - Expand

I mean....in that same damn series Harry Potter, the main character, is rich. He has enough gold to swim in, and he gets EVEN MORE MONEY when his godfather dies. For that matter, Hermione is clearly upper-class and Fred and George earn a fortune in the middle of the series and Bill and Fleur ain't missing no meals.

what's villainized is growing up rich and your parents refusing to teach you empathy which wouldn't keep poor people complicit in poverty at all. the aspiration to be one of good rich might however.

I think it's just the "growing up rich" part. Harry didn't grow up rich and after he got his money he still acted like he wasn't rich even though he could have spent his money frivolously and still been a nice person. Hermione wasn't rich, she was "only" probably slightly upoer-class (unless dentists make a lot more money in the UK than the US). The message is that if you grow up in a rich family that actually uses their money, then you, yes you, rich kid, act like Draco. Don't try to pretend you don't.

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meadowphoenix - 2019-11-29 07:00 (UTC) - Expand

Hermione is middle class in the UK, where "class" has a lot of implications beyond money. Sirius Black and Justin Finch-Fletchley are upper class - the Malfoys talk a lot about it, but the way they throw money around I'm not so sure.

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meadowphoenix - 2019-11-29 08:09 (UTC) - Expand

Really, anon? That's the only stereotype of rich characters that you see in media? Because Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne and Charles Xavier (and tons of others) would like to have a word with you.

And, sorry for being blunt, I have a hard time to believe that you prefer to have financial problems than become rich, or at least that your financial problems are in any way serious if that's your acctual attitude. Also, being rich is not something that can't be "cured" by spending money, giving it away to others, or, you know, paying your taxes without any tax optimisation and simply paying people more for teh work they do for you. If you suddenly got Besos's money and decided to give all Amazon employees around the globe rises you wouldn't have that much of a problem with "being hated for being rich".

(Not that Besos seems to be suffering much)

Middle class is the class to aspire to.

Under class = stress from bad finances and rough work = bad health.

Upper class = shallow, vain people who are bound by social rules.

Middle class = good health, freedom, non-fake people.

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