[ SECRET POST #4790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4790 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 07 secrets from Secret Submission Post #686.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/dKxsDyD.png

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that those badges exist makes me mildly uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

What? Respect characterization? You're crazy!

[(Anonymous)]

Reaaaaaaalllllllllly looking skeptically at the "bottom is a weepy girl in a man's body" bit

I agree with the rest of the secret though

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a woman, a feminist, and I cry less than most men I know. But I can't say I think OP is wrong. Giving slash bottoms qualities that are more typically seen as feminine is definitely a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

skeptically at the "bottom is a weepy girl in a man's body" bit

Skeptically in what sense?

It's a staple in yaoi manga; I've seen very few titles without it.

[(Anonymous)]

you've clearly been blessed bc i've come across it far more than i'd like, even with characters that in canon are absolute assholes: in fanfic they suddenly start crying and mewling during sex. it's fucking weird.

[meadowphoenix]

no there's so really blantant homophobia that is also misogyny tropes in fandom that "weepy girl in man's body" really captures

[tabaqui]

Same, Anon. I don't care for the weepy, helpless, can barely function alone 'bottom' trope *at all*, and to see it forced onto characters who don't even begin to resemble that is just...highly annoying.

Instant back button.

[(Anonymous)]

Would it kill people to acknowledge that people write what turns them on?

[(Anonymous)]

RIGHT?!

[(Anonymous)]

yes, bc random fandom porn is now considered FEMINIST EXPRESSION, rather than the self-indulgent ID-stories they actually are. so we have ppl bending over backwards arguing their their kinks are progressive instead of... their kinks that turn them on.

[(Anonymous)]

it's been like that for at least 20 years, OP, it's probably going to keep being like that because for some reason people just don't learn.

fandom is pure indulgence but when it comes to tropes, especially in fic and art, it's painfully obvious people are just copying what other people do, whether consciously (because it's low-hanging fruit and will garner them the most attention/reblogs/kudos/shares) or unconsciously (everybody else is doing it so clearly this is How We Do It and I must do it to fit in). whether this is good at all, nuanced, or entirely bad, well, that's up to fandom to decide but I personally think we'd all love ourselves and each other better if we tried something different instead of just going with fandom's status quo all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm lucky these things aren't in my fandom (the designated top is actually quite often written as sort of wimpier than he is in canon, which irritates me a bit, but oh well; the fanart is good), but what really and seriously gets on my nerves is seeing fanart from other stuff where the canonly smaller 'top' suddenly becomes taller and more muscular than his canonly taller partner...Just draw them as they are, jeez.

[(Anonymous)]

ngl i think some of it comes from internalized or unaddressed homophobia--they want to ship the gay thing, but can't go all in unless they can "womanize" one of the men so that it blurs the lines and resembles a more "traditional" het ship (albeit a very harlequin romance variety)

[(Anonymous)]

Also, heights. Why is the bottom usually portrayed as being shorter than the top even when their canon heights say otherwise?

[(Anonymous)]

same. i don't care who's taking it, if you will, i just want them to actually be written how they act in canon otherwise i wouldn't be reading fic in general.

[(Anonymous)]

Or when the bottom is written like a small child who's never had sex and doesn't know what a dick is. :/

Idk why equal-partnerships are such a turn-off for fandom, because I love me a mutually equal pair of characters, but almost every m/m ship I'm into has the fans create some weird-ass power-imbalance that doesn't actually exist. I guess it's what people like but I hate it, and hate seeing people be praised for their 'amazing characterization' when both characters only share the names from canon and that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

I never know what side I’m on whenever this argument comes up. (Other than the “Just let people write what does it for them” side.)

On the one hand, some fandoms take their top/bottom characterizations way too far for my liking. And I’m not into anime, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen any full-on Seme/Uke that hasn’t been so extreme I actually found it squicky.

OTOH, a mild degree of top/bottom characterization is often something I’m super into.

On a scale of intensity, I guess I like my top/bottom dynamics anywhere between a one and a four. Plus, I like extremely caring, service-oriented doms, and strong, smart subs who can and will kick your ass if they have to. *shrugs*

[(Anonymous)]

I will never forget parts of BBC Sherlock fandom's insistence that if you wrote the wrong person topping (in a pairing with two men in their late 30s/early 40s) it was pedophilia. Whereas if you wrote the right person topping and the other one as a tiny baby who didn't know what his own dick was, that was totally correct.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't look at those badges without remembering a girl I met at a convention once, wearing a 'seme' pin and wielding a yaoi paddle.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, this thread. I kind of hate seme/uke, but damn y'all, it's fictional porn. Who fucking knows why people like what they like! That shit's complicated! But again: it's fiction. Unless you've got something real to go on, your moral judgements don't reflect on anyone but you.

[frantichalo]

LMAO, I actually find those buttons super nostalgic and kinda cute...

I want them.

[(Anonymous)]

All the "people need to examine their kinks" comments these posts always get is hilarious. As if the normal reaction to realizing you have a kink isn't to wonder "Why the fucking fuck does THIS turn me on?!"

[(Anonymous)]

Funnily enough, I just read some Gay subreddit quotes about how it's ~Evolutionary Biology~ that bottoming makes you feminine, passive, and submissive and topping makes you ultra-man-manly. So, it's not just fangirls who believe this.