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⌈ Secret Post #5147 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Most people enjoy resolved romances. The more people that enjoy your creation, means more money.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure how that logic really follows when most shippy endgame scenarios (in TV universes, at least) happen in the final season/episode/movie, i.e., after the money stops comingin for creators anyway.

Given that shippers and shipwars are a pretty big talking point during a show/movie series/whatever's run, giving them the endgame moment feels more like a "thanks for your unpaid advertising revenue".

That, or creators assume pairing up every character is the only conceivable way to give closure to their show/movie/whatever?

[(Anonymous)]

People like the idea of resolved romances. In reality, so many shows go downhill as soon as the leads get together that it's literally a cliche. Avoiding the Moonlighting Curse and maximizing shipping potential sounds win-win.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh YES! I just realized that most times, i don't like my ships becoming canon. With some exceptions-- but I just like everyone flying solo. Moments of blurting, maybe some UST, maybe some deepening of friendships -- you can even toe the line! But no actual pairings with few exceptions.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree OP.

Also the girl in the middle is really pretty and i'm kind of crushing on her a little.

[(Anonymous)]

As a multishipper -- even one with several ride-or-die OTPs -- SO MUCH THIS. I've never wanted my ships to become canon: I only ever want the freedom to play with their relationships on my own terms in my own fic, and I want people who ship those characters with different ones to be able to do the same with theirs.

The fannish obsession with canon ships as the only viable ones have done nothing to change my mind on this.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Back in the 2000s in my early fandom days - although you'd get BS from shipping wars - there was an understanding that most ships weren't going to really happen, but we'd joke about what if it did become canon or that it was already canon anyways over moments in a scene or something. A lot more people seem to take it seriously and way too far - especially when they have access to social media and try to make justifying their ship into some form of obscure activism when it's just suppose to be creative fun of niche spaces of the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

It offers new kinds of plotlines to give characters

[(Anonymous)]

It depends on the creator. I know the Castle creators wanted Castle and Beckett to get together. And then drew it out two or three seasons too long.

Most the time I don't want creators to put their characters together and have canon pairings because they don't know how to write anything interesting with the pairing after it's done. (Castle was terrible at this.) It's a romance series problem. They get the pairing together, the book ends, the next book in the series is a new pairing. Gah.

So, a lot of times the pairing really devolves into only good if it's UST because the UST is the only reason there is a pairing at all. Like Castle and Beckett had nothing really in common, (Beckett keeping her private life private from Castle didn't really help) and thus wouldn't last as a couple no matter how much the creators pushed it.

Romance, especially long term romance that gets beyond the get together "honeymoon" stage, really is one of the hardest things to write and make believable. What happens once you answer "why can't they be together now?" is sometimes considered quite boring and so they come up with contrived conflicts of insecurity and bad communication to keep it "interesting." Bah.

Give me lots of Gomez and Morticia pairings or Evie and Rick from the Mummy. (But this is only my opinion.)

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly this is why I mostly ship in fandoms where it's impossible for a relationship to happen or it's obviously never going to happen. It's more fun and enjoyable when the shipping is made with fanworks.

Like its great when it happens in canon if that's what the creators intended - but when other fans go rabid and try and pressure for their precious ships to become canon - I just nope out of there so fast or just make sure I stay as far away from that end of the fandom as possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Most resolved romances seem to happen when the show is like, "Shit, what do?" and then of course it's a signal that the whole thing is going down. So I'm totally on board with your scenario.

[(Anonymous)]

That sounds amazing and I would probably adore your series, OP. So much canon, so many shitty, poorly-written, terribly executed “romances”. Just give me all the potential ships and let me headcanon them to my own standards, thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the same, unless it's implied in the last episode that a pairing is ending up together or doing a love confession, which is cool.

I also multiship so I like open options. I was kind of pissed when they gave Hawkeye a secret family in MCU. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I had the same thought recently, I get wanting romance. But honestly, Ship Drama made me wish no ship is ever canon ever.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Every time a couple gets together in a show I like, the quality starts going downhill. Will they/won't they is so much better.

[meadowphoenix]

because many people like actual romance. UST can be fun but also completely turn people off, if it's long-running. it's a balance and usually a creator has make some choices before a fandom turns on them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a hardcore OTP shipper, so I don't really enjoy the "EVERYONE has chemistry with EVERYONE" approach. But it's not a bad idea, since a lot of people do enjoy that approach.

Personally, I always want my ships to be canon, but never until near the end of the series. Hell, even if the last episode just indicates that the characters are probably going to get together in the future, that's good with me.

RST is basically always boring to me. Even when it's written well and actually honors the characters and their relationship (which is rare), it still tends to be a bit dull after a little while. OTOH, my appetite for UST is bottomless. Give me six, seven, eight seasons of UST and I will be all over it.

[tabaqui]

I would just really really really like more ensemble/team casts to be a hell of a lot more *physical* with each other, without having sex.

Like - Steve and Danno in Hawaii 5-O. Sitting on the couch watching a movie, Steve's arm around Danno's shoulders, Danno's head on Steve's shoulder.... Danno always calling him 'babe', and even drawing a heart in the air with both hands and mouthing 'I (draws heart) you' as Steve's being airlifted away with an injury.... That was so fun!

Just - a hard, crappy, sad day on the job and one or two of them go over to a third's house (maybe the acknowledged mentor or 'parent' of the team) and they all end up flopped on each other on the couch watching Netflix or eating something or just comforting each other.

I don't even *need* sex, or romantic 'ships, just gimme unabashed, unashamed hugs and cuddles and sleeping together and taking some physical (non sexual) comfort from their team. Without ridiculous no-homo bullshite or perving on women in the team touching or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

I always find it odd when people say this because in the cases of canons where the fandom ships are largely fanon there's still always *one ship that dominates the fandom, while a handful of others muddle along. There's no such thing as 'ship equality' in fandom because one ship is always going to end up being the preferred one en masse. So even if you wrote a thing this way, fans are still going to gravitate to one and declare that 'canon' even when you haven't.

*MCU fandom is one of the few I've been in where there's several large ships, but there are other factors impacting that: like one ship being popular in a prior canon for 15 years before the MCU existed, which will push numbers overall up. Because otherwise Steve/Bucky dominates by miles over the others.

[(Anonymous)]

Because fandom isn't remotely as influential on either a writer's creation process or their audience as some fans like to pretend. Most people prefer resolution to a story.

[(Anonymous)]

Becasue creators aren’t thinking about fandom when making something and are writing the story they want to write. They like their characters and want to see them happy and often that means pairing them up, whether or not individuals like it is the least of their concerns. Audiences also like seeing romantic stories come to fruition, its why romance is so common across various media types.

[(Anonymous)]

NOPE. HELL NO.
There comes a time in every story, including romance, where you have to - excuse the French - shit or get off the pot. I loathe unresolved romances and obstacles for the sake of obstacles far more than any "boring" couple. So many ships that I've loved just dragged on far too long to be remotely interesting. The writers prove the characters actually CAN live without each other, so I eventually stop caring about whether they will decide they can't.

Honestly, it's downright refreshing when shows actually let their characters get together and portray realistic relationships. And especially in shows the OP describes where the romance isn't the main point, there's absolutely no reason not to have many different kinds of storylines, INCLUDING resolved romances.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree. I want you read your works!

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this so much speaking as a woman whose real life is basically a UST marathon (aside from my marriage; being poly is a weird place to be).