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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-10-19 07:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #5401 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5401 ⌋

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[Hannah Bayles (YouTube)]


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[Squid Game]


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[911]


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[Holliday Grainger (The Borgias, CB Strike)]


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[Ryan Bergara, Buzfeed Unsolved]







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03. https://i.imgur.com/iT862Oy.png
[Hannah Bayles (YouTube)]

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06. https://i.imgur.com/h9towoQ.png
[Holliday Grainger (The Borgias, CB Strike)]

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07. https://i.postimg.cc/8zYg7VCb/ryan1.jpg
[Ryan Bergara, Buzfeed Unsolved]

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NS, NF, etc.

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2021-10-20 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
People are saying that it’s bad to meme about a show that’s a metaphor for how real people suffered and died, because apparently, these people know nothing about the Les Miserables fandom.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I think the simplest explanation (although of course not the only one) is that you like those characters in part because you want to bang them, and you don't want to bang the genderswapped version.

And that's OK imo.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
In general, we have less respect for the personal lives of people who lived further back in time, so I don't think this is a very meaningful gotcha. Even people who are very opposed to RPF aren't necessarily going to object to fanfic about historical characters who lived 500 years ago.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Tbh it's rare to find a well-written genderswap fic in the first place. It's always a complex issue and more work to make believable than casual fic writers want to put in.

In theory gender *should* not matter, but in practice it totally *does* matter due to how society perceives and acts about it. And characters' experiences are what make them well, themselves. So if you change those, you change the character. It's not their gender itself that forces the changes, it's the very different experiences that *being* that gender would have given them... that yes, lead them to basically be OCs.

It'd be the exact same for female->male genderswaps, too.

So I doubt it's your internalized misogyny, unless you for some reason adore when female characters are genderswapped to male and they *don't* feel like OCs and you like them better that way and see no issue with it and it's just the icky women you dislike.

If that's the case, yeah, start worrying.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Tar Season Anon???? HAVE YOU COME HOME????

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like genderswapped fics because nine times out of ten it's 1) done to turn a popular fanon queer pairing straight, or 2) a case of "this character now has boobs" and there's absolutely nothing different plot- or character-wise.

If you're going to genderswap a character, I want to read about how things would be different if that character were the opposite sex. I want to read about how the story would change, how their relationships would change, how their mindset would be different. If nothing changes at all, then what's the point?

For instance, in one of my fandoms, a large part of the plot has to do with a specific character being next in line for the throne. Genderswap that character into a woman and they wouldn't be next in line for the throne, which means an entire segment of the plot wouldn't happen the same way that it does in canon. That's interesting! I want to read stuff like that! But if it's just "[X] is female but nothing about the plot changes whatsoever," then who cares?

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Same! I don't mind it in fanart (can be kinda cool!) but I don't want to read about it - maybe in a short crack fic where a magic spell goes wrong or the character ends up in another universe or something, but nothing serious. Especially not shipping fic.
(I'm ace so I don't want to bang them.)

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
I used to feel this way, and it really was sort of misogyny tbh. I just couldn't get comfortable with female characters because I scrutinized every single thing they did, said, how they looked and how they sounded. It was only when I started watching more and more female centric and female run shows (and read more female authors) that I began to accept vulnerability and imperfection in female characters. I still won't accept perfection though, because perfect characters are dumb and flat. Anyway, maybe you should just try finding more fem characters that you like. It doesn't mean casting off male characters you like, just adding more awesome characters overall.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure if it was about attraction, OP would have mentioned it.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
An anon from above, but yeah, I like when genderswap is treated the way it should be. As a total AU where a lot of events of the characters' lives change, not due to their gender but because of how the outside world reacts to them now that they are this gender. It *should* be a full AU!

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
What's it a metaphor for?

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