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i hate how we mocked jared leto sending rats to coworkers as part of method acting but gave an oscar to ann hathaway for destroying her body for les miserables. both of those are stupid and i'm sick of people glorifying suffering for acting as "good" method.

On the one hand, both are bad. On the other hand, making others miserable is a lot worse than doing it to yourself.

NAYRT

I know that this is generally the way that people think. But - from a moral point of view - ought we think that way? Is that actually a viable distinction to draw?

I think the viable distinction is that you have a choice and can choose to make yourself miserable. Whereas others have no choice in the matter and you are doing it against their will. You still shouldn't want to make yourself miserable, because you matter. But at least you chose it. Others didn't.

DA, but agreed.

da, but... yes? Obviously there's a discussion to be had about why people feel the need to do things like starve themselves for roles, but you can't compare that (which doesn't hurt anyone other than the person doing it) to something like someone deciding to prepare for a villain role by being verbally abusive to their coworkers. One thing has other innocent victims. The other doesn't.

I know that this is generally the way that people think. But - from a moral point of view - ought we think that way? Is that actually a viable distinction to draw?

Yes.

getting some rats is very easily dealt with, hathaway talked about how she had health issues for years. i don't believe that the former is a lot worse

I'm sorry, but I firmly believe that it is far worse to involve unwilling participants. Others who don't get a say shouldn't be forced into whatever it is you are doing. I feel really bad for Anne, and I hate that the film industry promotes that kind of thing. But the fact that actors (and directors) are now being called out for making others miserable is a great step forward.

i can't relate to that kind of blanket thinking. context is important to me

Phil is using direct context? And how is it blanket thinking? It makes perfect sense that both are awful, but one involves dragging other people into the situation.

getting some rats is very easily dealt with
to you maybe, but that requires the context that you specifically aren't going to panic about that. I have shitty relatives and I would much rather fuck up my body deliberately than wonder if one of them was sending me a threat.

Only one of those people is hurting others.

so does that mean we should celebrate the other or what argument are you making here?

One of them is Bad, the other is just stupid.

They didn’t say that at all. That’s one hell of an assumption to make from absolutely nowhere.

From the point of view of the ethics of voting at awards shows, you're encouraging the same amount of harm to persons whether it's self-inflicted harm or harm inflicted to others.

And frankly I'm really not comfortable with just writing off self-inflicted harm this much.

Nobody is writing it off.

No one is writing it off, they're just pointing out that it's not the same as inflicting harm on other people. Because it's not.

Personally, I'm very uncomfortable with anyone who thinks it's their business what other people do with their own bodies.

If you refuse to acknowledge someone's merits because they're starving themselves, and you think treating them negatively is going to "teach them" to eat how you think they should, that is no less fucked up than refusing to acknowledge someone's merits because they're overeating.

If you don't think Anne Hathaway deserved an Oscar because you don't think her performance merited it, cool, that's totally fair and very much your prerogative. But the actions she took to prepare for the role, which started and ended with her, are not a valid reason to deny her artistic recognition, and frankly I find your patronizing finger-wagging on the matter shady af.

This. Hollywood is fucked up for encouraging this kind of unhealthy behavior in it’s stars, we all know this. So what good does basically victim blaming Anne Hathaway do to speak out against the issue?

I don't think 'we' gave anybody an Oscar, unless there's more members of the Academy than I thought. I also don't think extreme method acting *is* all that lauded anymore, in either form. Most discussions I see of it do highlight the fact that it's, well, extreme, and for very little reward. Terrorising your coworkers with live animals is a dick move, and destroying your body for a role hasn't had a good reputation since The Machinist. The Hollywood system itself might be slow to change, but I feel like on-the-street opinion of method acting has been going downhill for about 20 years now.

I hate that 'we' gave Anne Hathaway an Oscar for Les Miserables because Les Miserables was a fucking terrible adaptation of the musical and made everyone think musical adaptations need to be realistic and serious which is how we ended up with Cats.

I hate that gorrifying her performance helped give Tom Hooper more movies to do.

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