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⌈ Secret Post #5571 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think, if anything, the response to this disproportionately large. One guy made a shitty joke about another guy's wife, the other guy slapped him. Both are not great things to do, but they could have just apologised and that would be case closed. But I guess nobody really cares much about the Oscars these days, so the media have to artificially inflate this rather trivial situation into a scandal. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was all staged.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, describing it as the worst thing to ever happen at the Oscars including that time they gave an Oscar to a child abuser and a rapist, as well as seeking to completely destroy Smith's career, is well out of proportion. And I think the first commentor kinda has it as to why too.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think the first commentor kinda has it as to why too.

Not really.

[(Anonymous)]

White rapist=Oscar worthy and gets prestige films.
Black man retaliates over nasty joke about his wife's medical condition = must destroy his whole career.

Yeah, nothing racist there at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really.

There are also plenty of white people who thought nothing Will Smith did was wrong. It's a cultural and regional difference - which, of course, in the United States, means that it also has racial dimensions, and there are some people who reacted to it in a racialized way, I'm certainly not going to say Judd Apatow isn't an asshole. But it's way too simplistic to explain the difference entirely in racial terms. People have dramatically different views on when violence is justified based on their backgrounds, for instance, big differences between Southern vs West Coast / New England, and middle class vs working class.

And then in the other direction, I don't think the failure of Hollywood and America as a whole to come to grips with sexual assault and violence against women is something that can be explained primarily through reference to whiteness. It's a consequence of misogyny and patriarchy and shitty ideas about power and accountability and who gets to do what. And again, all of those things are racialized to a degree in America, but not to the extent that all of this is just about race. It's not like letting powerful people off the hook for abuse of women is an exclusively white thing.

[philstar22]

I'd also add that there is some misogyny in responses to Will (as well as with what Will did in the first place). Whether or not it is a husband's "job" to protect "his wife's honor" is absolutely an issue of misogyny. So there are all sorts of power dynamics floating around here.

[(Anonymous)]

This, exactly. Also, the cases that are being brought up in the whataboutism posts didn't happen in public on national TV, to my knowledge. But apparently, a lot of people do think it's totally acceptable for a Black man to strike another Black man in public just because he was angry.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU. It was toxic masculinity, pure and simple. Jada is a grown woman who can decide for herself how to handle a situation like that, but he took that agency away from her because he thought HE knew how it should be handled.

It would be a different story entirely if SHE had been the one who had gotten up on stage and slapped Chris Rock.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

It's white people who want to show off how woke they are who are primarily pretending this was made into a bigger outrage than it really was. The slap is mostly joked about and memed already. Will Smith is in no danger of being canceled by any group. Are there huge memes around the fact that any famous white guys are rapists, where the rape is the haha-funny part of the meme?

[(Anonymous)]

If this very same thing had happened and gotten the very same reaction from the public, and the only difference was that it was two white guys, you would be commenting right now about how everyone would be treating it much worse if a black guy had done it.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes really. Sticking your head in the sand is a bad look.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

tbqh

like neither of these dudes comes out smelling like a rose but when people make a big show of hand-wringing over this particular incident out of all the other "violence" in the world you've gotta wonder why this is the one they're so mad about

[(Anonymous)]

it was on national TV

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but is this a 'if a tree falls in a forest' type thing? Will is in trouble because he did it in public? Had he slapped Chris after the show was over and only a handful of people saw it, it doesn't count??

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. A significant part of the reason that Will is in trouble and that people care about it and there's so much handwringing about it is because everyone saw it happen on national TV. It wouldn't really be morally different if he had done it at an afterparty, but fewer people would hear about it and it would be much less salient.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and also when the entire thing was televised, it sort of eliminates the whole "he said-she said" aspect that can make private situations murkier. There's absolutely no question as to exactly how it went down because everyone saw it happen live.

[(Anonymous)]

exactly- it's one thing to know that nasty things happen behind the scenes of the Hollywood machine (and even when there IS discussion it's usually overpowered by the glitz and the glam) but it's hard to ignore something that happens DURING the show.

[pantswarrior]

This 10000000%.

Just looking at stuff that was trending on Twitter after someone called it "the worst thing to ever happen at the Oscars" would tell you it's not even in the top ten. And that's just at the Oscars, not Hollywood in general.

[(Anonymous)]

And it happened in a workplace, to someone who was on the clock doing his job. I love how people just ignore that dimension of things, especially at a time violence against workers, especially service workers, is escalating.

To me, it looked like a very rich, famous privileged man who thought he should be able to get a way with whatever he wanted.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it was one rich famous guy slapping another rich famous guy.

[(Anonymous)]

This. AYRT is being disingenuous by comparing Chris Rock to a service worker.

They’re not wrong by saying he was just doing his job. And their last sentence rings true. But their second sentence calls their credibility into question. Because it makes it seem like AYRT is acting in bad faith.

I also really hate when people say “I love how people are ignoring [Insert Irrelevant Thing]”.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Because every single person who remarked upon this (sadly) internationally infamous event that was broadcast on TV doesn't care about the other, more legit types of violence. They're only allowed to comment on ONE act of violence per year, so clearly if they choose this one, they're deeming it far more important than everything else in the whole wide world.