[ SECRET POST #5745 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5745 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[(Anonymous)]

I do not understand the alignment between "there's zero materially wrong with the Jedi philosophy" and "what you get from the first six movies is a mess." I don't understand how those are both true. Also, "half-assed Asian philosophy and mysticism" is a foundational structural pillar of Star Wars, for better or for worse. It is what it is.

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[(Anonymous)]

the movies aren't the only canon place you get jedi lore.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I thought the no attachments thing was unnecessary and wrong-headed. And I always thought the “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering” thing was misguided, at best. Fear and anger are perfectly healthy and useful emotions to have. Irrational fear and anger, not so much. And since fear and anger are normal reactions, learning to deal well with them is important. Repressing your fear and anger can lead to resentment and, yes, hate. Avoiding all negative emotions won't work. Learning how to work with them and through them is important to emotional development.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU!

(Of course now I have a theory that Star Wars is a major factor in the rise of toxic positivity in the West. Whoops.)

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[(Anonymous)]

It's completely necessary both practically and philosophically. no attachment isn't not feeling love or affection, it's about not wanting to control another living being in order to preserve the feelings the relationship gives you (or the attachment). as both people who need to balance cosmic forces and people who are an arm of a federation, this prohibits corruption, philosophically or politically.

“Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering”
this is obviously about wallowing in those emotions/those emotions being foremost for you, cmon. also, perfectly rational fears often lead to dysfunctional behavior, I don't think it's useful to pretend otherwise.

learning to deal well with them is important.
this is the point of jedi training, but we have very little good understanding of this from the movies since everyone who gets trained is doing so in atypical circumstances.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I just liked how all the plotlines came together theme-wise. It was an entire movie that was like "stop fetishizing the past, including Star Wars as a franchise, the only way forward is to look at the now and concentrate on fixing it rather than trying to get back to an inevitably mis-remembered mythic past." Was it a great execution? Nah, but it wasn't the worst thing ever and it certainly didn't break anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it really dovetailed well thematically. I continue to believe that if they had just ripped out the plotline on the ship and done a rewrite of that whole part of the movie, they could have made it work.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind the theme, I do mind the execution of that theme.

[(Anonymous)]

There are few places you can safely say this, and FS ain't one of them. Rian can do no wrong here.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, ridiculously untrue, there are people who are very positive about TLJ on here but there are absolutely people who are very negative about TLJ on here

[(Anonymous)]

The people who are critical of Rian always get shouted down and dogpiled here. As your own post proves.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but "Critical of Rian" = "objectively the movie sucked ass and you're an idiot to think otherwise", apparently, so I'm not sure who you think is getting shouted down here.

Personally I'm just glad there's ONE place on the internet where I can at least ENCOUNTER an alternate opinion about a, at worst, mediocre attempt at redirecting a boring rehashed trilogy.

[(Anonymous)]

I usually avoid the SW threads but I’ve always noticed there are a lot of Johnson fans here, more here I think than anywhere else. I can understand not hating the movie, I can understand hating some of the vile behaviours of “fans” when the film came out but I’ve never understood thinking Johnson is a good director. Objectively, TLJ was the worst Star Wars film up to that point. And that is purely down to Johnson’s writing and directing. I really enjoyed the film and liked what he was trying to do, I just wish he’d actually done it and don’t understand why his failure is lauded as a success. The excuse that he didn’t have time to develop those concepts is rubbish; he had an entire film in which to do it but instead we got subplots that did nothing to advance story or characters and the leaders of the resistance faking out their own troops for no reason whatsoever.

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I just don't know what to do with a statement like "Objectively, TLJ was the worst Star Wars film up to that point."

Like, you absolutely don't have to like TLJ, you don't have to think that it was a success as a film, or any of that. But I don't really see the argument that, as an objective fact, it was worse than a Phantom Menace or an Attack of the Clones. I can certainly see how someone would prefer those movies, sure, fine, whatever. But when the anti-TLJ position is that as TLJ is objectively worse than all preceding Star Wars movies, how are people meant to respond to that?

[(Anonymous)]

Simple agreement, or dignified (wrongly felt) silence will do. And also, post that point as well. TLJ was the movie that torpedoed the franchise. Everything since has been frantic course corrections and attempted, with mixed success, bailing out. That is an objective fact.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT so we have to agree that it sucks or shut up? No discussion or alternate opinion allowed? Fantastic.

[(Anonymous)]

Simple agreement, or dignified (wrongly felt) silence will do.

lol

[(Anonymous)]

Lmao

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Thing is, I DO like TLJ. I’m thinking maybe you don’t understand the difference between objective and subjective? I don’t like PM or AotC but from an objective standpoint, yes, they are better. Better writing, better plotting and pacing, subplots contributed to the main story or main characters; TLJ failed to some extent in all of those areas and so majorly in the subplots that fans gave up and the following film only had a profit of $300 million.

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[(Anonymous)]

thank you for making the secret!