[ SECRET POST #5894 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5894 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[One Dark Window]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault/rape]




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07. [WARNING for discussion of revenge porn]




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[Project Moon/Library of Ruina]


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09. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia, antisemitism, suicide]

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #843.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault/rape]
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[(Anonymous)]

This secret so confidently makes such little sense

"Not every show needs to be Game of Thrones" means "shows can be good without needing to be dark and convoluted like GoT." Not "light-hearted shows are doomed to be bad"

?????

[(Anonymous)]

One, if the point is to say that shows can be good without being convoluted and dark, that makes no sense as a criticism of a specific show. If the point is that you can have shows that are lighthearted and good... OK, that's fine! But how is that a point of criticism about a show that *is* convoluted and dark? How does this turn into a problem with a specific show under discussion?

And two, people use the criticism really generally and broadly. There's absolutely times where people say this about a show and it's completely baffling how the show is supposed to be like GOT.

[(Anonymous)]

The secret implies that OP is talking about situations in which people say this sentence as a response to criticism, not as the criticism itself

So OP or someone is saying "this show should be darker and more convoluted in some way" and someone is saying "not every show has to be Game of Thrones" in response

But even if someone were to say this about a show, responding to nothing in particular, it... still wouldn't mean either of the things OP thinks it means??

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, no, you're right, that is what they're saying. Well, I agree that the secret makes much less sense that way, lol. I personally usually see "not every show needs to be Game Of Thrones" leveled as a criticism of darker shows, not a defense of lighter shows.

I mean, I sort of get what OP means - I guess they have in mind a very specific situation where a show is being criticized for very specific problems with the plot, characters and writing, and people in response are saying that the problems don't matter because the show is light-hearted and positive? But.... that's such an incredibly specific scenario and OP really kind of skips over a lot of the intervening steps.

[(Anonymous)]

I might be too tired to understand it clearly, but my first impression was that the people saying "not every show needs to be GoT" was that, in their opinion, not every show needed to be as "high quality" as GoT and the OP was disagreeing with the sentiment of GoT (or a fantasy show which is dark) being the only measure of a good quality fantasy show.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm talking about situations where someone says "this show has bad writing" and gets that line thrown at them. No asking for darker tone. But since the show they're talking about is usually lighter than GoT, it apparently gets assumed that that's what they mean anyway. Or alternatively they're chastised for expecting quality in non-dark show.

[akacat]

Similarly, it means “why the hell did the show runners add rape to this otherwise perfectly good show?”

[(Anonymous)]

People say it about shows without any rape though

[akacat]

Sorry, I should have said that it can mean that. There are a few different instances where I’ve seen it used. Very broadly, it’s been

A) as a response to someone complaining because they think a show isn’t grimDark enough,

B) as a complaint when a previously lighter show starts to turn grimDark.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon from above

Exactly those two scenarios are the ones I've seen it in, and the phrase in both those situations just plain doesn't mean what the secret OP thinks it means. So it's very confusing

[akacat]

The secret doesn’t make sense to me either. All I can figure is that the OP is confused, or mistranslated something into English.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Those are also the only two situations (broadly) where I've seen this argument used. It's always in response to either "this clearly lighthearted/comedic/trying to be mid-series Xena show needs to take itself more seriously" or "this plot twist where it turns out all the good guys were secretly evil and also now the only way to save the world is by supporting a child trafficking ring really didn't need to be a thing."

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that comes to mind most recently with this argument is "Andor is bad because it's trying to be Game of Thrones, not every show needs to be Game of Thrones"

which I saw here!

[(Anonymous)]

I saw it here and I saw it on Reddit. Also, this gets thrown at Picard, too, for being too violent and dark for a Star Trek show. People just don't like dark shows in their franchises.

[(Anonymous)]

This bugs me because both franchises have plenty of stuff to watch (although that is a relatively new development for Star Wars) so when someone doesn't like any particular installment I want to just shrug and say "So wait five minutes and there will be something new and in the meantime enjoy all the rest that already exists." I think it's a good thing if both franchises invest in variety rather than only walking the same path over and over. I won't like all of it but that's not an actual problem.

[(Anonymous)]

mte. I’ve even heard it from fans of GoT. I love grimdark fantasy if I can balance it out with happybright fantasy. I don’t know what OP means but there’s no denying that there has been a lot more grimdark the last ten years than happybright. And most of the happybright has not been of the same quality as the grimdark. The grimdark stuff gets massive budgets and A list stars (even though less than half of it is any good) and the happybright stuff is barely funded.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Person1: I didn't like this show because it's poorly written
Person2: Not every show has to be GoT grimdark you know

How would you interpret person2's response? Keep in mind that person1 never said anything about the show's tone, much less how they wanted it to be. Personally I can see two options:
A) Person2 thinks GoT grimdark = good writing, therefore you can have either lighthearted or well written, so person1 is dumb for expecting both.
B) Person2 assumes person1 thinks GoT grimdark = good writing, despite them never giving any indication of it, simply because they're criticizing a lighter toned show.

This line is constantly used to defend bad writing. This secret is about that. I know that "Not every show needs to be Game of Thrones" is supposed to mean "shows can be good without needing to be like GoT" but it's almost never used that way. It's more often used to shut down (usually) legitimate criticism about writing quality.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like you need to find a new circle. The phrase is used constantly yes but never in the context you say it is. Reading over the replies to your secret should be all the confirmation you need.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen that phrase used in that context many times right here on FS.

[(Anonymous)]

Can I get some dressing with this word salad?

[(Anonymous)]

I'd appreciate stories with no rape too. I don't even mind a dark and gritty story, but I'm tired of how many stories pepper their female characters with rape plotlines.