[ SECRET POST #5915 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5915 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. [SPOILERS for Antman and Wasp: Quantumania]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of abuse]




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[P Total Bio-Chemical Laboratory]



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[The Living Tombstone]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

[Greek mythology]



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Comments

[fscom]

10. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
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[Greek mythology]

[(Anonymous)]

IA finding the Gods' behavior totally egregious is nothing new. But there is definitely also a time-honored conceit that because they are Gods they are above judgment. It's the humans in the stories we're supposed to be comparing ourselves to, not the paper-cutout bad guys.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish people would acknowledge myths as written by man. Nobody looks at the Christian g-d and says “hey I think that guy’s evil he drowned a whole civilisation except for these people just because they didn’t follow him correctly”. Myths are written by humans who are falliable and by men in particular (Homer, Hesiod).

[(Anonymous)]

"Nobody looks at the Christian g-d and says “hey I think that guy’s evil he drowned a whole civilisation except for these people just because they didn’t follow him correctly”. "

Tell me you don't know any atheists without telling me you don't know any atheists, LOL.

(I'm an atheist.)

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I meant other Christians don’t. I know atheists exist. The amount of Hellenic polytheists I’ve seen actively avoiding Zeus and Poseidon because of their myths is astounding.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but I have seen those too. Methinks if you're refusing to recognize major gods because they're ~*~problematic~*~, you're not as Hellenic as you think, but that's just my opinion.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Modern christians, no. They all got killed early on.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, that's me, I am the person saying that. (Mostly only to other atheists, though.) Except it's less, "God is clearly evil," and more, "The dude is the most malignant possible manifestation of about six different personality disorders, mixed and then blended until frothy."

But 'evil' works as shorthand, in a pinch.

[kaishi]

You haven't learned about the gnostic christians in the first century CE, have you?

[(Anonymous)]

You never learned to say a non-shit thing in your life, have you?

[kaishi]

You are an absolutely wet sock of a person. :)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Every JRPG would like a word with you, but especially Shin Megami Tensei.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody looks at the Christian g-d and says “hey I think that guy’s evil he drowned a whole civilisation except for these people just because they didn’t follow him correctly”

I mean, we know that Paul Winchell wrote two books and had a website about it because Paul Winchell was a celebrity. It would would be reasonable to assume that non-famous people hold similar beliefs.

[(Anonymous)]

I studied classics at uni, and I've forgotten most of it (lol) but one thing I do remember was my impression that often the gods weren't above judgement so much as "beyond" it. They were forces that happened as much as beings to be venerated/feared/appeased - like fairies in UK folklore, they could be kind but often weren't, and the best thing to do if you couldn't hide from them was appease them via whatever route you could (honey, milk and bread for fairies, sacrifices, rituals and talismans for gods).

The tendency to connect men in power with relevant gods to emphasis how wonderful the man was, how he was destined to have power due to his link to the divine, may have been part of the reason why some gods were sanitised and made "good" by human standards. Some might have tried to justify why people worshipped at the altar of gods who had committed atrocities or been petty and vindictive (so, all of them, I guess!) because their view was that religion was to worship, not appease. Yet others would have been pissed that some randos in the next city-state over were telling a story that totally mischaracterised their uber-fav and would have loudly stated it wasn't canon.

But either way, the only way you can be wrong is to say you're the only one who's right with things like this - people have always had an opinion!

(If this makes no sense it's because I'm about to sleep, sorry, and I might have misinterpreted the secret)

[meadowphoenix]

You know I do think a lot of new greek stories miss a lot of potential nuance but not in trying to make myth contemporary to the needs of modern people. stories which comment on contemporary values is the point of greek myth imo.

But also the greek gods aren't supposed to be lawless? A lot of their myths are about one or another of them fucking up. Like zeus's origin as king of the gods is because kronos does a morally bad thing by eating his children. My favorite myth, song of demeter, is about how zeus royally fucked up and all the other gods besides hecate are cowards. The iliad is about two decades of terrible decision-making, human and divine. If I had to guess, I'd say that greek myth is resigned to the fact that power often means injustice, and that feels off if you value justice, but imo that's not the same as saying all divinity is infallible.

[sparklywalls]

My personal view (by all means not scholarly, you're not getting academic me right now - I'm just essentially shit-posting late on the Internet) is that the Greek gods were never meant to be revered as perfect and beyond reproach but definitely considered on a level above humans. But they're all petty and manipulative for their own ends and humans are just another pawn in that particular game. Yes, you should fear them because they can make your life miserable and worshipping them in the right way might get them off your back. But it's very much a thing in e.g. The Illiad that those fuckers interfere the shit out of everything, and even fuck up sometimes in doing so.

Idk, I'm not feeling very coherent. But Greek gods are not as "hands off" as the deities in some other belief systems may appear to be. They get involved, good or bad. Human standards don't necessarily come into it, they're just messy in their own way.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. When I was in my tween Greek Mythology phase, my mother specifically told me that the Gods fucked up in a human way to explain why fucked up things happen to humans. Oh your husband is a serial cheater? Well, so is Zeus, he invented that. Your husband and mother hate each other? Well yeah, Demeter and Hades.

Not to mention Pandora, who is the excuse for literally all the bad things and a way to vilify women. I always saw the myths as people trying to justify their bad shit as them being made in the image of the gods and acting like them.

[philstar22]

Actually, at least some of it had to do with claiming various local deities into the Greek pantheon once various city states started coalescing into a more united culture. Zeus became a serial cheater to explain various local deities.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I think, if you're treating the gods as characters at all, rather than just metaphors for natural forces or objects of veneration or whatever, it's kinda impossible to NOT judge them by human standards. It's unreasonable to try to use gods as characters in fantasy and also exempt them from moral judgement.