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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-07-08 05:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #6028 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6028 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Kill la Kill]



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[Back From the Brink]



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(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
Everything is either activism or abandonment. We don't live in a world which has neutrality as a concept anymore. "Neutrality" favors the oppressor.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

How very capitalist of you. You're never allowed to rest, you're never allowed to play, you must always be working on something for the enrichment of others. Otherwise you're the "oppressor."

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
Resisting the pressures to make people's lives worse is the opposite of capitalism. We live in an era of late stage capitalism, and constant monetized oppresion for clicks and populism, can't get away from that though. If you are lucky enough that it doesn't weigh on your life, congrats on your privilege. Do something with it to help others get the same privilege too. Or don't, let the machine grind onwards, up to you.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

You don't seem to realize that you're helping the "machine grind" up all the people who are trying to take refuge in one of the last (mostly) non-monetized places left. You would have us all expend energy we don't have trying to turn it into activism. Activism for who? What kind? I'm sure that everyone who wants to do that will agree on which cause gets priority and how everyone should do it and things will get done. *eyeroll*

We live in an era of late stage capitalism, and constant monetized oppresion for clicks and populism, can't get away from that though. If you are lucky enough that it doesn't weigh on your life, congrats on your privilege

So this makes me think you didn't actually understand what I meant earlier. We're all suffering under late stage capitalism. No more park benches, no loitering, no hobbies (unless you monetize them), NO REST. This is a place we can REST with no monetization. And you want to turn it into activism, making us PAY for having this place by policing ourselves. No. Fuck off.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
I will not
Neither will I cease pointing out that silence, here or anywhere, is complicity

You can either be active or be uncomfortable

The choice is yours

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
I choose to rebel against your attempts to infect fandom with the mindset of your late stage capitalist protestant work ethic roll models. I choose to ENJOY MYSELF. I choose to REST.

I will not continue to give of myself until there is none left for me. You want to annihilate yourself on the altar of productivity, have at it. But go do it away from fandom. You could actually get so much more done out in the meatspace. Go on. Git.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
DA

But I'm entirely here for you resting and having fun and not apologizing to anybody for it. In fandom and anywhere else.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you an AI bot? Because you sure sound like one. Either that or a liberal freak.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Nayrt

“Liberal freak”?? There’s nothing wrong with being liberal. It’s only a problem when you’re a self-righteous busybody like Ayrt.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-10 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
What's wrong with being liberal is that both the right and the left hate you and call you "lib" as a heinous insult. The difference is that the left doesn't realize a lot of people who call themselves liberals are in fact exactly as far left as themselves (I, in the US, have an elderly relative who supports local socialist politicians where he can find them and calls himself a liberal), they just didn't get the memo that "liberal" implies "basically centrist" in terminally online language. So we're back to the problem of using the correct lingo being more important than what you actually think and do.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
I say this as someone disabled: fuck offfffff.

It's one thing to want a break. It's another to whine that it's all activism and you're totes not an oppressor.

You can claim fandom is safe from this, but fandom is a rampant recruiting ground for the alt right even now.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
This ^

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Fandom was much more hostile to the alt rights' attempts at recruiting when it wasn't full of people browbeating others and justifying it with leftist rhetoric. Working harder at alienating everyone with more extreme versions of an unpopular dogma will not help.

And "you're either an activist or you've abandoned your ideals" sounds like the mindset of someone who needs to be less hard on themselves, as well as everyone else. I say that with no mockery, in absolute sincerity.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
fucking +10000

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
+millions

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
You're being ridiculous. This subthread started with someone saying that not being an activist in fandom is the same thing as being an oppressor. That is a stupid claim and should be derided as such. There is nothing wrong with calling out people in fandom for spreading alt right rhetoric. People should do that.

But the secret isn't about that. It's about seeing fandom as activism in the sense that everything you do in fandom must be proactively furthering an activist cause. "You want to write a fic about two white guys fucking because you need a break from life and like a ship with two white guys? Nope, sorry, that's not activist enough. Your fic must contain at least one woman or one POC, preferably both." That's the kind of "activism" this secret is about.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
You’re not wrong, but you could have said all that without starting your reply with something as patronizing as “you’re being ridiculous”.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I'm disabled too, you prick. I never said fandom was "safe" from this. I said it's one of the few places where you aren't forced to expend any effort. You can REST. I want to REST. And honestly, it's starting to feel abilist to have people telling me I can't, I must always fight EVERYWHERE and AT ALL TIMES.

I'm guessing you haven't noticed but this kind of thing is PART of the alt right recruiting. If the thing you're doing/reading/watching isn't PURE enough, then you're a bad person. It's all so very christian. By saying that we all either have to say the right words, hold the right opinions, write the right fic, read the right fic, watch the right shows, ship the right pairings, or we're the oppressor? You're the one espousing alt right ideology.

You fuck off.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This, so very, very much. Thank you, anon!

(Anonymous) 2023-07-15 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
*ableist