[ SECRET POST #6071 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6071 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock]



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Comments

[fscom]

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[feotakahari]

I feel like a lot of shounen manga protagonists have no chemistry with the girls who fans ship them with. Does that count?

(Seriously, where did anyone get Izuku/Tsuya from?)

[(Anonymous)]

my kink is green hair.

[(Anonymous)]

Chemistry is irrelevant there because it's guys using the protag as a self-insert to ship with their waifu.

[(Anonymous)]

Shonen protagonists have way more chemistry with their male rivals/frenemies because those characters get actual development.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's why they always need forced female love interests so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. I do think that some characters that I don't find are hot have chemistry.

I am less likely to want to read or write pornographic fanfic of them though, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

How does that explain hot characters that don't have any chemistry, though?

[(Anonymous)]

Me finding characters hot doesn't mean I think they have chemistry, those are two different things for me and if a pair of characters are hot but their on-screen dynamic is boring, badly written, or as dry as cardboard then it doesn't matter how hot they are together, I ain't gonna be into it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's the opposite for me. I've started a show thinking one of the main pairing was not attractive at all, but they had such great chemistry that he became attractive. Same show has a secondary pairing, I think both the actors are attractive, but they have NO chemistry and I DON'T find them hot together....

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've got it backward, OP.

If two characters have no chemistry, of course most people won't find them hot together, because people find it hot when characters have chemistry. That's what makes a pairing hot to a lot of people.

Do they in essence end up in the same thing ("no chemistry = this pairing isn't hot to me")? Sure, for the opposite reason of what you think.

Ofc there are edge cases where people ship two characters they find hot that have never interacted or only briefly met - but people then imagine there is chemistry between them were they to ever meet or interact seriously; you rarely find people shipping characters that have canon prolonged, dry, boring interactions with no romantic potential at all.

[(Anonymous)]

This is how it is for me. Characters having chemistry together can make them hot together even if I don't find them hot individually (or it can make me start finding them hot individually when I didn't before).

But watch out, someone will come in and say shipping characters who have boring or little to no interaction is common and cite Clint/Coulson or Matt/Mello or one of the other one or two famous cases where it has happened, as if that makes it an everyday occurrence and not seriously just those four times out of all of fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, this. Chemistry is what makes two characters hot together for me. They can both be uggos but if they've got that chemistry? Then damn, that's hot.

That actually applies to one of my current ships, in fact. I don't find either one of them hot on their own but when you put them together, they're smoking and it's all because of their chemistry.

OP of the secret

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Because 9 times out of ten I always see people talking about how hot they find the two characters to start with. I think most people don't realize that it's a huge component, but I do tend to notice it's always what THEY THEMSELVES find hot. And then of course the two characters "have chemistry." The chemistry is that the ship-liker likes both of them.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I'm gonna disagree with you. Yes, there are people who ship a pairing because the two have a great chemistry. But a large part of the fandom picks their ships based on the tropes they enjoy. Be it "friends to lovers", "opposites attract", "hero/villain" or just "two hot guys fucking", they'll find two characters that fit the best and proceed to ship with vigor, regardless of whether they have anything going on for them or if they even interact meaningfully at all.

The OP is absolutely correct, but they've missed a crucial component. The "chemistry" in this case doesn't actually mean chemistry between the characters, but how well the characters mesh with the trope. People find pairings hot because they find the trope hot. So when two characters embody a trope that doesn't appeal to them, they'll see it as the characters having no chemistry since it's not going the way they're interested in.

Which is why shipping characters who have canon prolonged, dry, boring interactions with no romantic potential at all is incredibly common and you'll see it in pretty much every fandom. Hell, my own current main otp is one such pairing and I ship them with burning because the idea of them together is scratching an itch for me.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, it often does boil down to "I personally don't find this hot." Some people don't like certain pairings despite their interactions in the story or at least potential, and that's fine. But I rarely hear a good reason for why the pair apparently has no chemistry, even when the story makes a damn good case for it. Sometimes it's just all about what appeals to you. What repels me about a certain ship might be hot as fuck (pun intended) for someone else, and what I found amazing about a pair might have turned off another person.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I see it from the opposite POV. I think most people are thinking 'I find one or both hot' when they say they have chemistry. And it's only when someone doesn't find the individuals particularly appealing on their own that you can be sure that they have chemistry.

Though, on a different topic, I though Armie Hammer and Timothy Chamalet had minus chemistry in CMBYN, and do think that most people who though they had chemistry just found one or both hot (and/or the scenario).

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm with you there-- I see a LOT of 'two hot people with no real chemistry' (and part of that is that they don't do chemistry tests anymore as a rule).

[(Anonymous)]

??!???,.? - confused sounds of me, an ace person from podcast fandoms without visuals, but with my otps and notps and opinions about chemistry

[(Anonymous)]

"People have told me why they dislike certain relationships, but I know better and they're lying" seems needlessly provocative.

I realize "chemistry" is a fairly imprecise way of expressing emotional affinity or sexual attraction, but most of the words people reach for when they're having an informal conversation about what a relationship is missing, for them, are vague. There's always the chance of revealing more about yourself than you mean to, if you seek out the words to articulate why the things these two people direct at each other feel loveless or unpleasant. Or whatever the matter might be. And there's always the possibility that the person you're talking to won't appreciate hearing it.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, that is needlessly provocative, and it isn't what OP said at all. Suspecting (or "feeling" in this case) isn't the same as knowing or throwing accusations of lying.

Me though, I'll flat out say that sometimes folks just don't personally find a pairing hot. I don't think they're "lying" exactly, they just might not realize there's something others see in a pairing. And sometimes there is a lack of chemistry, but that doesn't stop others from seeing a ship's appeal.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think I know better, but I am noticing the trend. It's always two characters who're attractive, it seems. Very, VERY rarely, is the character what people call "ugly." (Who never really is, but like. People say they are.)

[(Anonymous)]

I think that when people object to a ship they usually either prefer shipping one or both characters with other people (or themselves) or there's something about the nature of the ship they object to and they'll claim lack of chemistry as a palatable reason (like when people don't like a movie for reasons they know will be unpopular, they will complain it was poorly paced or something). People who simply aren't into a ship due to lack of hotness and/or chemistry usually have no objection to it and therefore do not comment on it unless asked. If you ask someone how they feel about a ship and they respond that they aren't into it due to lack of chemistry, that really just means "What can I say to get you to stop asking about this ship I don't care about?"

[meadowphoenix]

I find that "hot together" is so vague, that it could encompass what chemistry actually means, and you could also be misunderstanding what's going on.

To me, chemistry is "both characters gain a new interesting aspect (aka appeal) as a pair rather than solo", and I do think that's what most people mean. For some people that aspect is attractiveness, for others it's dynamic, and for others it's something else entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

In this case, I mean, "I think they'd be hot dicking each other down." Because so rarely is it non-conventionally attractive (or even "plain" by Hollywood standards) characters that I have to roll my eyes.