[ SECRET POST #6078 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6078 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you. If asked, I would definitely say that an author can take down their fics if they want to, but it really bothers me anyway when people do this.
Even with my own (nothing special) fics - I have one that I sometimes think about getting rid of, but I never do. Because maybe someone likes it, or maybe someone will like it one day in the future, or maybe it will inspire someone to do the idea better. It's not that I feel that my fic is owed to anyone, and by extension no one owes their fic to me. I guess I just see it as being bigger than just being mine, but there's also a little bit of 'I was here and this is what this fandom inspired in me'.
Isn't that what the archive is for? To show what mark all of these ideas made? A lot of stuff is gone. What ideas have we lost or had to recreate all on our own? What do we build on if the ideas keep disappearing?
Yeah, yeah, it's not that deep. I still think like this anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

As you said, this is often the case in longer running fandoms. I guess it has two main reasons - one is the old fans who genuinely are grumpy and elitist about younger fans coming in and doing things differently but the other is younger fans coming in and demanding that this fandom has to cater to them now and what the older fans have been doing for decades is wrong, actually and people don't react kindly to that.

Newer fandoms though? It's primarily the younger fans who tend to get out their pitchforks the second any evil old person (20+) does something they don't like and then whine and cry when they get consquences and try to get out of any responsibility with the "but I'm a MINOR" card. And I can't be fucking bothered with that bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. Maybe I don't interact with enough folks my own age as that hasn't been my experience. But the ones I do see (Gen X/Xennials/Milennials... my age group, hah) seem most aligned with Gen Z and younger as far as behavior and etiquette go. I hope it means things are changing for the better and folks are staying openminded.

[(Anonymous)]

Both are annoying, but I think there's a fundamental difference in children acting like children (and teenagers who think 20+ is old definitely count as children) and adults acting like children, and what it says about the people acting that way.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for making my secret, Secret Maker!
But I have to mention that these are actually their previous portraits. The current ones that I was talking about are obscured in the background in this pic.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. People have good reasons to delete their fics and not everything needs to be preserved. You're not entitled to other people's labor.

[(Anonymous)]

Not when the children acting like children is more like children acting like fucking psychos who pretend they don't know bullying is bad and rape/death threats, suicide baiting and other borderline criminal behaviour is not the "teehee I'm just a kid I don't know better uwu" thing they think it is.

[(Anonymous)]

...not trying to be sarcastic here, but has that not been children forever? Bullying wasn't invented in the 00s. It just moved online. Kids were just as vicious in the 80s.

[(Anonymous)]

>>sometimes technological advances are not good advances.

Well, now we have a download option in AO3, with different formats even! So preserving fics became way easier than the old:
> left click > select all > left click > copy > right click on text editor > left click > paste > select first line (title) > left click > copy (title) > SAVE FILE AS > left click > paste (title) > SAVE > title.txt

or my favourite short version

> left click > select all > left click > copy > right click on text editor > left click > paste > SAVE FILE AS > agdjsjgvjfodjdjhjoj.txt

...I think I prefer AO3 than that. I spent 15+ years with those damned .txt files... And sure! I still have EVERY fanfiction I liked preserved on my HD, but AO3 made it that much easier to download them. It's one of the "rare" technical advancements that's GOOD. I still do the old SAVE FILE AS when hunting for old fics on LJ and even older archives, but now my hands hurt after a while. I'm old!

[(Anonymous)]

Stuff AO3.

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Jacob's has an extremely cursed Timmy Turner kind of energy that I hate. I like the other 3 though!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... sure? But saying "oh kids where always like that so it's nbd" is kinda like excusing men and boys being sexist/gross towards women/girls by saying "oh boys will be boys". And the main difference betwen kids being bullies in the 80s and kids being bullies now is that the internet and anonymity has made things arguably worse. And I've seen more young fans being major bullies than older fans in most fandoms I've been in.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, I watched the first season(s?) with RayV and then caught some later episodes with RayK and I was SO confused about the Ray situation.

[(Anonymous)]

He regenerated, stealth Doctor Who crossover.

[(Anonymous)]

If it helps you out, Fraser was just as confused as you when he found out about it too.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from and yeah, that feeling does suck. It also sucks to have one's OTP shot down in a way that has plenty of unfortunate homophobic implications.

I think a lot depends on the type of media. Is it a low budget movie or a TV show intended for the home audience of the country that it's being produced in? Or is it a big budget tentpole movie intended for wide distribution? Disney found out the hard way that mainstream movie audiences are not as ready as they thought for gay content. They lost a lot of money on Lightyear and Strange World in no small part because they included gay relationships in an important role in both stories.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Bullying is bed, regardless of who is doing it. But adults bullying is worse than kids bullying. Adults, at least, have fully developed brains. They have no excuse whatsoever. Kids doing it is still bad, but not as bad as adults doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

+100000000

It's their fic, and they can remove it if they like.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure you're the kind of sanctimonious fan OP is talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

So much this! I've been in long-running fandoms and it can go either way. With new fandoms, it's often the younger fans who throw fits about anything they don't like, but I've also seen plenty of instances where manipulative older fans would use the younger fans to attack other fans who did things the older fans didn't like. (Pacific Rim fandom, I'm looking at you.)

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. People can delete their fic if they want, that's their choice. I write myself and I have very occasionly deleted fic because I hated it that much over time, however if someone saved it onto their PC? Wouldn't bug me because I do the same thing with fic I really like. No one is entitled to anything in this regard.

[(Anonymous)]

SA Either way, it seems like there's always some tribe of assholes who think they own the fandom. Or worse, you get competing tribes of assholes.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

This. I'm always hoping that they wise up at at least manage to get out of the cult, but that doesn't always happen and it's sad. It also doesn't help that religious groups like that seek out people in vulnerable positions in their lives and prey on them.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a level of immature and dumb behaviour I'll expect from teens. I find out some asshole online is 17 I'll roll my eyes and hope they grow up in a few years while blocking them, I find out an asshole online is my age or older? I boggle at how they haven't managed to grow up at all in that time and wonder how they behave and cope irl while also blocking them. Being a dumb kid is something you can grow out of, being an entitled and dumb adult is pathetic and sad.

Re: Happy things

[(Anonymous)]

The kitty video that my sister sent me. Also, seeing the Orange Crested Liar's mugshot all over the media.