[ SECRET POST #6108 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6108 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Shadow Gambit: The Cursed Crew]



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[MCU, Star Wars, Kyou Kara Maou, Blakes 7, many others]



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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/MV0cL6k.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

0/10 try harder

op

[(Anonymous)]

?? Not trolling. This is true. Based on first hand experience.

[flibbertygigget]

Alright but counterpoint: Worm fanfic. Genuinely inpenitrable, especially the stuff on the Spacebattles forums.

[(Anonymous)]

Oof, this is a spicy take but... I don't entirely disagree with you?

I do think when fandoms start out they can be deep and the first 1-3 months will be the only time this will happen, but after that the characters will get simplified down to one trope and 1-2 personality traits and thus strip any depth the fanon once had, and that's usually the point I check out of a fandom. The potential and originality is gone.

[tabaqui]

I agree the majority of fandom can be like that, if you're mostly just going by some clips and Wiki and looking for a kind of vibe (or trope) or just in it for the pretty.

But even the most 'shallow' fandom will have moments, lines, scenes, etc., from the canon material that informs the fandom that isn't something that's immediately apparent to just a quick surface skim.

So - enjoy fandom however you like! But I think actually watching the canon material at some point can enrich the experience for pretty much everyone.

[philstar22]

In my experience there is a wide range of ways people come at fandom. In the Tolkien fandom at least, there is a whole lot of discussions on various aspects of canon, and it can often get pretty deep. There is also lots of more shallow stuff. Personally I love it all. The variety and range is one of the things i love about my fandom.

[cakemage]

Co-signed!

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I see a whole range. Definitely more trope-y stuff than not, but that's not the end of fandom. IME it can take some searching (and even disengaging with the wider fandom if you're frustrated with the fandom's vibe) to find fans that you can connect with.

[(Anonymous)]

there are many individual fan works which are deep and many which are very not but sure if you wanna lump together the entire fuckin fandom as a single entity.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay. Give me a fandom and let's see.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you use a specific fandom as an example?

op

[(Anonymous)]

One Piece.

[feotakahari]

Friendship is Magic produced both deep and shallow fic in large quantities. You just needed to check rec lists instead of looking for the most popular stories.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, it's very easy to spot an OOC!MC. It may not be deep for the quick stuff/crack. But the epics/crack-treated-seriously needs to have that deep understanding pervading the fic.

[(Anonymous)]

If Disco Elysium wasn't a thing, I'd be inclined to agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. But you have fun.

[(Anonymous)]

Big fandoms are like the ocean. Lots of light and life and visible activity at the surface. But just because you don't go deep doesn't mean the depths aren't there.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! You can absolutely enjoy a fandom entirely based on shallow interaction and moving on when you're bored. But that certainly doesn't mean that's all there is to it.

[meadowphoenix]

i don't think a sign of a fandom's depth should be it's fanfiction personally, nor do i think you can get into all fanfiction with basic character dynamics and a wiki...and i'm speaking as someone who often does do just that. there's clearly shit im missing, ala when i read lotr fic and that's with me being knowing the hobbit and the silmarillion, and a good deal of the movies. and you've got to understand...the lotr wiki is wildly comprehensive.

sidenote: wikis are written by human beings who usually aren't even the creators. they don't actually always know what's important to a reader/viewer/listener and there have been so SO many times I've read a movie wiki for instance and then watched the movie and wondered what the wiki writer was smoking.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree, but I prefer this take to the opposite extreme, anti-intellectualist claim that fandom needs to stop "pretending" their canons are ever deep.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, is that supposed to be a problem?

Do all fandoms need to be deep to be worthy on some level?

I often find people lean heavily one way or the other depending on if they want to feel superior.

It can be both, it can be neither. It depends on how you utilize it.

Smut fics for me are fun yes, but they also are an avenue for me to explore my sexuality and personal trauma without much risk. But I'm not going to discuss the deeper parts of that to anyone because it's none of their business.

Fandom can be a useful tool in helping people pivot towards more/deeper things. It doesn't always mean a fandom is deep merely because there are deep themes or connections, but to scoff at fandom as if it's trivial or lacking in depth on the macro is...not something I can agree with.

[(Anonymous)]

I think your premise is flawed, and because of that your conclusion isn't even wrong.

For one thing, I don't think deep is synonymous with impenetrable. A fic could be deep without flummoxing everyone who hasn't memorized the entire source material because much of the human experience is universal. Likewise, a shallow fic could be incomprehensible unless you are aware that the author is a lunatic who has drawn some very peculiar conclusions from small details in the source material.

Second, if you step into the water at a beach and it only comes up to your ankles, do you conclude that the ocean is not deep? PWPs and coffee shop AUs don't take much knowledge about anything to follow, and even if they make up a majority of fic (because they're quick and easy to write compared to even attempted depth) that doesn't mean no one is out there exploring the themes or the worldbuilding.

Third, show me a source material so deep that you could not begin to comprehend the second book in the series, or the third game, or the seventh season of the TV show, by just reading the wiki summary.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom is a collection of passion. I don't think it can be called deep or shallow the way individual works can.

I've read individual fanworks that are absolutely deep and complex and meaty and meaningful to me. So I guess I disagree. But also I usually just reblog fan art of my fav's smooching so you'd probably just see shallow from the outside. So idk.

[(Anonymous)]

In my experience the least dense stuff floats to the top.

If you sort Les Miserables fandom on AO3 by kudos, you get a lot of very fluffy modern slash AUs, most of which are incredibly shallow.

If you look at the few people who are still writing long canon-era bookfic ten years after movie, some of it goes so deep into the text, history, and social issues that it intimidates professional literary scholars.

That applies to a lot of other fandoms, too, and not only ones for 19th century French classics. There's some astonishingly insightful Transformers fic for example (and I don't mean Astolat)