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Nah. Chances are you've taken him out of context.

It's what I think as well. he is pretty supportive of meditation, etc, but I doubt he would demand it or won't be aware that it's a case-by-case thing.

Why? It's been proven that things like meditation, exercise, getting outdoors, etc. ARE hugely helpful to people with mental health issues. There's no reason to put someone on medication right up front if making some lifestyle adjustments would work just as well.

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Meditation can worsen anxiety, depression, and dissociation.

Nah.

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OK, I didn't realize I was in the presence of someone who knew better than my own lived experience as well as many studies and meta studies on the subject. Wow. Much impress.

Oh, you were talking about your OWN experience? Maybe you should've led with that instead of generalizing.

It also helps to produce actual sources.

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(Anonymous) - 2023-09-27 03:13 (UTC) - Expand

To be more precise, a certain type of meditation can do that (the one where you focus on your thoughts and external sensations by yourself). Guided Meditations can eliminate this issue sometimes. I recommend exploring different styles of meditation (for instance, Ho'oponopono) to see if one could help. It's not a replacement for traditional treatment of course, but a supplement. And if it's not for you, it's not for you, obviously.

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It was stuff like this, but prayer instead of meditation, that led to my mental illness not being diagnosed for years. I got told to just pray and the fears and depression would just go away.

It is important for people to listen to their doctors. If their psychiatrist or therapist suggests meditation first, that is one thing. People on the internet telling people to go there leads to people ignoring their doctors or not seeing doctors at all.

Meditation isn't the cure for violent schizophrenics.

They didn't say it was the cure for violent schizophrenics.

My point was it isn't meant to be a cure-all for all mental problems, especially severe ones like that; another anon made the same point below.

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(Anonymous) - 2023-09-27 20:13 (UTC) - Expand

What do you mean by "violent schizophrenics"? Is it the violence that cannot be addressed with meditation, or the diagnosis of schizophrenia? Meditation is one tool of many (along with medications and other therapies) that can be used to treat mental illness, which works for some and does not for others, and yes, is sometimes very effective for patients with "extreme" mental health concerns and behaviors.

Please read my comment above yours.

I have met many schizophrenics, and none of them were violent. The mental illness there is the schizophrenia, there's no good evidence schizophrenic people are violent at any greater rate than the rest of the population except in (perceived) self-defense.

(And yes, meditation and similar methods won't cure delusions but they can help people deal with their symptoms better, including reducing the need to resort to violence, which is often a necessary first step before they can be compliant with medicalized treatment.)

That's nice to haven't met any. I have. Am related to one, actually. It sucks.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251840-mindfulness-and-meditation-can-worsen-depression-and-anxiety/

Yes, it can cause harm. It's not wrong to try it but it needs to be with a competent and experienced practitioner. And "straight to medication" is not the only other alternative. There is a fair amount of evidence that medication in mild-moderate or situational depression is not particularly helpful, either. But meditation is a specific practice not a "lifestyle change".

What do you mean "first-line treatment"? If he isn't a medical professional he can't make such an statement because he shouldn't be one to decide, if he is he wouldn't do it because it could get him in trouble. Not sure what's the story but.

In my personal experience meditation saved me, LITERALLY. I'm a stroke survivor and a bad job had me psychotic on the daily. I'm not sure I would've survived that job without meditation. The medications I was prescribed failed and therapy alone wasn't doing much. So finding out about meditation randomly was a blessing. However I understand it's not everyone's experience. I wish some people would understand it CAN be some's though.

Medication was useless for me, meditation and spirituality made a huge difference. I would never tell someone else that was the only way to get better or the first thing to try, every situation is different. I agree about wishing that people who feel very strongly that meds are the way would be open to others being different. It's cool that meds work for them. Meds aren't for me. It's great that they found something that works too.

It can help in some cases, not so much in others. I think the big problem here is both sides pushing their supposed solution to the exclusion of all else.

People like this guy treating meditation like it's a cure all. On the other side big pharma pushing meds only. The middle ground is a handful of scientists and clinicians and that's it.

He didn't say it was a cure all.

A little OT...I like Dr K but some of his talking points have made me a little uncomfortable.

Recently I stopped watching a video after 5 minutes because I felt really uncomfortable with the idea that persisting to work on a relationship despite the red flags as something good/worth doing.

I understand it's good to push oneself to uncomfortable territory and work through the problem rather than give up right away because working through a problem is harder than noping out.
But having been raised as a scapegoat and working on my codependency, I'd be in situations that got toxic or abusive.
And it's like...I feel like I'm more prone to end up in abusive relationships and now my trust in general is even more uncertain because I always keep hearing "stand up for yourself"/"know when to leave/distance yourself" alongside "You're lonely because you don't give people chances".

Do you see why I'm alone and frozen in terror unwilling to ask for help?

Same here, anon. Same.

I think my issue with pretty much all advice is that it's meaningless if it's not specific. You can't tell someone how to fix themselves if you don't know how they're off-kilter. You can't fix someone's health if you don't know their actual problems. You can't fix someone's relationships without knowing that relationship.

So every single time someone gives general advice it'll be helpful to some, useless to many, and toxic to some others. There is no universally helpful advice and I'm tired of pretending it's a valuable thing to seek out.

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