[ SECRET POST #6434 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6434 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Not having been in this part of fandom... what reasons do people give as to why Bucky shouldn't step into the role?

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen two main flavors.

1. Bucky will be forever morally tainted by his past as the Winter Soldier and all the assassinations he was brainwashed into doing. He is too morally impure and could never be a good enough person to "deserve" being Captain America, all based on things he was forced to do.

2. Bucky is too psychologically damaged by his past as HYDRA's captive to ever take up the responsibilities of Captain America. That argument often gets very patronizing and very ableist very quickly. (Plus it often has implications of the "rape victims are damaged goods" that I still come across far too often irl.)

[(Anonymous)]

...but...but Natasha has more or less the same back story.

[philstar22]

Actually, I'd argue not quite. Bucky was literally forced. They were actually messing with his brain. Any time he had even memories of the past, they'd go back in and mess with his brain again. Natasha was brainwashed, but in the real life sense. She still had free will. Bucky didn't.

[philstar22]

It isn't that he couldn't. It is that he shouldn't be for his own mental health. He's still healing. I do think he could probably handle it someday. But at this point, he's not ready. He's still healing.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. People can do things even when they are still healing, and he has been very willing to go back into the fight when necessary, as he did in FATWS and Civil War. It would have been a wonderful redemption arc for him, as well.

[(Anonymous)]

So he can fight and all of that, just not with the suit and the shield? Why?

[philstar22]

Because he knew Steve, Steve was his best friend. He saw all the responsibility Steve took on himself. If he took up the shield, he would feel the need to live up to that, try to take on all the same responsibility. And he'd always be judging himself any time he wasn't just as good, any time he couldn't save someone. Yes, he'll do that anyway. But it would be so much worse if he became Captain America. It would make it extremely difficult for him to work through the issues he already has with self worth from the guilt of what he did as the Winter Soldier.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I still disagree. I see where you are coming from, but no. What you outline is one scenario, but it's not the only one or even necessarily the most likely one.

Just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing a job or being heroic. Maybe part of Bucky's journey could be the realization that he can be Captain America on his own terms and he doesn't have to be exactly like Steve to be a hero and lead and inspire others. He could learn and grow and realize that while his past and his guilt will always be with him in some regard, he doesn't have to let them rule his present or his future. He knew, better than anyone, that Steve was willing to give second chances and believed that people could always choose to be better than they were.

[(Anonymous)]

Then you’ll really hate this one:
I don’t want him to because Bucky stans are painfully obnoxious and I prefer it when they don’t have any material to pollute general fandom spaces. If they’d stay in their corner it wouldn’t be an issue for me. But as someone who got sick of the MCU formula long before it was cool, I’d die happy if I never hear about poor wittle Bucky ever again.

[(Anonymous)]

You were sick of the Marvel formula before Iron Man was released? Because it has been seen as "cool" to witter on about that ever since about the halfway part of the first screening of that movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Never saw anything like that until much, much later. The last one I saw was the one that introduced Wanda. It was a total rehash of the one before and Iron Man 2&3. As bad as IM 2&3 were, Al the negativity I saw was about how the individual movies weren’t very good but the Avengers movies were great. I noped out before Civil War and ever since CW came out the Bucky stans have been obnoxious in other fandom spaces. It isn’t as bad these days but again, it’s because they don’t have much content to go off right now. Bucky as CA would take fandom as a whole right back to Civil War time where no one can participate in any fandom activity without Bucky stans shitting all over the place about their poor baby.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's the obnoxious Sam!Cap and Captain Carter stans who are doing that now.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from. Some of the Bucky stans really are super obnoxious, and if those were the ones you encountered first, I can see why you'd feel the way you do.

That said, every popular character in the MCU has their share of painfully obnoxious stans. I hope you aren't the immature, butthurt sort of fan who throws temper tantrums any time anyone criticizes or doesn't like one your faves.

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t have any faves in MCU. But yeah, those were the ones I ran into. I even got a comment on one of my Beecher/Keller Oz fics about Bucky. The Bucky stans were already annoying but I think that comment really pushed me into hating them. I don’t actually care about Bucky one way or another, just hope he doesn’t become prominent again and stir the stans back to boiling.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is this such a popular fandom? I keep seeing it everywhere on AO3.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you asking why MCU is popular?

[(Anonymous)]

No, the Bucky/Steve pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Character dynamics that lots of fans love and an interesting story.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, after seeing some of the arguments why Sam shouldn't be Captain America, I'm 100% Sam as Captain America forever. That's my only real reason that I think Bucky shouldn't be. He was fine in the comics.

[(Anonymous)]

Such as?

[(Anonymous)]

bro I love cap!Sam in the comics and hated him in the TV show ;___; I hope the new movie will be better for me, but I fear I just don't like him as a character in the MCU. (He was one of my favs before F&TWS)
in the comics cap!Bucky was cool, too, but Sam completely stole my heart.

why don't people want Sam to be cap? Because of racism? I don't care if he's cap in the MCU, but as I said I don't really like him as a character...

[(Anonymous)]

Racism. Just wall-to-wall racism. And other completely made-up things like "well, Sam's not an established character like Bucky" or "Sam wasn't a soldier" or "Steve only knew Sam for like five minutes, unlike Bucky" searching for a reason that didn't reveal the underlying straight-out racism.

People who want to see Bucky as Cap and promoting that? Fine. People who focus their efforts on why Sam shouldn't be Cap? Not fine.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. I really want Sam to succeed as Cap, too.