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[ SECRET POST #6443 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6443 ⌋

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Yeah, I was in fandom for Mulder/Krycek, and this is true.

Re. the pic: Those are some seriously awesome goggles.

I think it's because back in the day, m/m being canon actually was much less common and that made our expectations much, much lower. People take it more seriously now that the real likelihood of canon m/m exists. And that's a good thing, so I can take the sometimes-annoying increase in slash goggles-wearing fans thinking it could be canon that it's caused.

ess common and that made our expectations much, much lower. People take it more seriously now that the real likelihood of canon m/m exists. And that's a good thing, so I can take the sometimes-annoying increase in slash goggles-wearing fans thinking it could be canon that it's caused.

Agreed.

I was in the Harry Potter fandom. I don't think most people expected Harry/Draco to be canon, though a sizable number of people thought Wolfstar could be. Even then, most believed it probably wouldn't happen. Now ships like those are far more likely. If JKR wasn't a dumpster fire of a person, anyway.

Honestly I think HP fandom needs to put their goggles back on and realize they are just goggles, because I've seen multiple people add 'queerbaiting' to JKR's list of sins and just...no? Fandom's tendency to decide if you're a terrible person in one way you must be awful in all ways is annoying as is (like it can't just be that JKR is transphobic, she must also be racist, sexist, etc., as if the transphobia alone isn't bad enough) and there are plenty of criticisms to lob at HP's writing, but queerbaiting was never one of them. Remus and Sirius were never going to be a thing and she didn't write the books with the intention of convincing anyone that they would be a thing. Fandom did that all on its own. JKR was not obligated to keep the possibility of canon ship alive just because the fangirls latched onto it hardest.

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Yeah, Idek where Wolfstar as almost canon even came from.
As someone who read the books without being in the fandom for most of them, because we did not have internet in the house back then, I always thought that Sirius was a bit in love with JAMES but was silent about it cause James loved Lily.

AYRT - I actually agree with you on that. It's irritating.

Now ships like those are far more likely.

Yeah, the last time I was really getting shippy vibes from a pair of male characters in a canon, the ship actually DID happen and I was pleasantly surprised.

It boils down to people wanting to be right and like the 'correct' (ie: canon) thing, it used to not even be a pipe dream some 20 years ago because canon gay characters were few and far between, never mind a consistent gay romance in a show, but because there's more queer rep in general it's warped a subset of fans perception into believing that their fave non-canon ships are somehow going to sail despite their shows not even slightly hinting at it because being 'right' is more important than just having fun.

And man does is suck the enjoyment out of fandom tbh.

Or they just really like the ship and actually believe that it could be canon because it is no longer just a pipe dream that m/m ships could ever be canon.

Most people just want to have fun in fandom. I don't know why this comm is so hellbent on assigning them selfish motives.

When those same people scream and harass other fans who like a different ship it's not about having fun, it's about being right and being able to tell other fans they're wrong. If they were chill about it I wouldn't care, but they're so often not. So yeah, they're selfish bullies.

idk man it's not really fun to try and ship something when a lot of other fans are srsly huffing some delusion and trying to convince the rest of the fandom that a pair of friends written as friends are totes gonna be paired off at some point. it takes otherwise relaxed fandoms and turns them into a mess of expectations and when those expectations aren't met? fuck me does it get nasty.

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I think if we're talking about people who have their slash goggles on too tight then it implies they expect or believe it to be canon. As opposed to people who merely ship it and would like if it were to happen but aren't making any demands or judging the writers for *not* having it happen.

The implication of slash goggles is that they can be put on and taken off at will, but OP's point seems to be that some parts of fandom have forgotten how to take them off.

I get annoyed when a particular faction starts to act as though they are somehow uniquely entitled to have their ship made canon, especially when they insist that it's the best because it's the Most Progressive or some such shit.

You say this like we don’t live in the era of people sending death threats and harassment to the writers and creators of TV shows because their pet ship wasn’t canon.

I agree with you and also bring back the word shippy!!

It was perfect for this exact use: a dynamic that totally works for fanon shipping but isn't intended as canon, we've lost it along the way and it makes me sad.

I feel like there's a middle/third option between "obviously they're straight but this is fun" and "I think this could/should actually be canon" that's like

"I recognize that the writers don't intend this to be sexual and it will never be canon, but they've made this relationship so intense and pivotal to the whole story that in fact it does make more sense and is more compelling if I read it that way, and you don't need to go into the story looking for m/m to get that impression"

with the caveat that people who DO have their slash goggles on tight may often mistake the first thing for the third thing

Agreed, honestly. I can think of a whole bunch of ships that would fall into that category.

This.

Sometimes Death of the Author is good and we shouldn't be afraid to admit it's what we're doing when we interpret things a certain way.

Agreed.

My personal theory is that when nerd culture became more mainstream and there were more situations where creators/actors engaged with the fandom, the blur between fan service and creators' ideas/preferences became more difficult to decipher. From both the fans and the creators.
Therefore, fans have expectations that likely will never be met and instead of understanding that fans won't always get what they want, they get angry.
And creators may find themselves with this issue of the fans have theories/ships that are popular but the creators don't have plans to integrate fan theories into their project, so they face all sorts of backlash for not doing what the fans want/expect.

Like, a lot of issues with fandom/the entertainment industry IMO are made worse due to the ease of access between fans and creators/entertainers, not just the whole slash goggles vs slash is canon thing.

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The Fourth Wall was often a good thing.

Modern fandom has no term for slash goggles in the same way fish have no word for wet.

Now that gay relationships actually exist in mainstream fiction sometimes, the idea of "this isn't canon but it should be" has gotten a lot less popular.

Which is a shame, because non-canon shipping has always been where the best pairings lived.

Yeah, it's like people's slash goggles are on so tight these days they've melded with their skin and we're not supposed to notice. :|

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