[ SECRET POST #989 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #989 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Star Wars]


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[Avatar]


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[One Piece]


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[Glee]


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[Sonny with a Chance]


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[DCU]


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[Perez Hilton]


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[gunnerkrigg court]


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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]


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[Scandinavia and the World]


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[China Miéville]


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[WWE]


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[The Path]


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[The Black Keys]


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[Perez Hilton]


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[Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop]


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[Pokemon]


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[Hetalia]


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[Patrick Swayze/Queer As Folk]


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[Roar]


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[Guilty Gear]


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[Hetalia]


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[Metal Gear Ac!d]


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[Lupin III]


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[Watchmen]


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[Darker than Black]


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[The Crow]


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[A Song of Ice and Fire]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 460 secrets from Secret Submission Post #142.
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Comments

[skelody.livejournal.com]

Feminism: belief in the equitable treatment of people regardless of sex or gender.

That's the core concept. There may be disagreements about its application, but that's the unifying theme.

[muffinman-owns.livejournal.com]

I realize what the definition is, but many women today have taken it to ridiculous levels to shove it in peoples' faces at every chance they get to remind them that "I AM A WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR".

If feminism is about being equal, why is the word partial to women? I've always wondered that. If there is to be such a thing as equal (Which there isn't, still), why is there not a word depicting that?

[skelody.livejournal.com]

There is. Egalitarianism, sometimes modified with other adjectives.

It's called feminism because women started out in the position of being treated as inferior, and the initial impetus of the movement was to procure rights for women (men already had such rights).

[muffinman-owns.livejournal.com]

I would be all for using only egalitarianism. Women in most countries (minus the ones with religious and governmental interventions) are hardly without rights, and some of the issues argued about are ridiculous (IE: The firefighter thing). There are rarely any issues these days argued about by feminazis that cannot be answered logically.

I am all for making sure women keep the rights they have, but I've seen some outrageous claims made by hardcore feminists (There are whole communities on LJ and other forums dedicated to bashing men and whining about oppression that doesn't effect them or anyone they know).

You said "feminazi"

[kitty-wake.livejournal.com]

You lose.

God-damn do you lose.

Re: You said "feminazi"

[(Anonymous)]

what's wrong with that term when it's applied correctly?

Re: You said "feminazi"

[marsdragon.livejournal.com]

Because it is a term popularized by Rush Limbaugh in an attempt to discredit the entire feminist movement with a strawman. By using it you are basically saying that you are either completely out of touch or support sexism. (also that you like Rush Limbaugh)

Re: You said "feminazi"

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

As a Jew, I find it offensive to use the term "Nazi" to mean anything other than the German political party that executed six million of my people and the people of later generations who agree with those views. Being an extremist feminist=/=committing race-based genocide.

Re: You said "feminazi"

[dwinghy.livejournal.com]

Unless you're talking about goddamn Ilsa She-Wolf of the SS, the term "feminazi" is never used correctly, and anyone who uses it automatically outs themselves as an idiot.

Re: You said "feminazi"

[iteari.livejournal.com]

Maybe just the idea of it coming from somebody like Rush Limbaugh who is set on dirtying the word Feminist and its movement.

While I am critical of some extreme feminists (there are other radical feminists I actually do mostly agree with and like; I have no idea what this says about me *shrugs*) I detest that word because I feel like I am actually letting someone like Rush Limbaugh influence me in some way *shudders* on the Feminist movement as a whole.

Every movement, every religion, every organization has its flaws, and I don't think that those should necessarily lessen whatever ideal they are trying to promote...

Also, the word, to me, just sounds fucking stupid when you say it out loud.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

Just because they have rights does not mean they have equal rights, nor does it mean they are treated equally even if they have those rights.

[skelody.livejournal.com]

When in doubt, go back to the core definition. If one is misandristic, one is not a feminist. On the other hand, it is dangerous to dismiss observations of nonobvious injustice as "whining". Such injustices' very invisibility is part of their insidiousness, and it's always worth keeping in mind that social mores -- unlike legal ones -- are ingrained into our minds at a level often beyond questioning.

[amaresu]

Yes, because believing in equal rights is exactly the same as invading Poland and setting out to exterminate an entire race. Clearly.


Why the hell don't I have that lovely icon?

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

Well, to be fair, the term is usually only used to refer to crazy extremists that hate on men (I think).

Though as an anon in this thread mentioned, it's still rather offensive, for different reasons.


... er, not so much different as... >.< okay I think you probably understand what I mean.

[caliador.livejournal.com]

Are you totally deluded or just after an argument? Can't you see that the world is weighted AGAINST women and that we still need to fight for our rights? Maybe you should try waking up to the world you live in. Also, a dictionary will provide you with the word 'equality,' just so you know.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

Um... well, far be it from me to speak for muffinman, but. I really don't think he/she's trying to claim that the basic idea of feminism (equal rights, etc) is bad.

It's more like, how about, instead of focussing on wanting every woman to act like what we think ideal women should act like, we focus on making sure that every woman can choose who and what she wants to be. Focus on treating men and women the same and not on trying to set one or the other on some high pedestal of awesomeness. You know...?

[muffinman-owns.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've heard them. One woman on a forum I was on awhile back argued that they should lower the standards for being a firefighter so that more women could do it.
And clearly she doesn't realize that there ARE women firefighters, so it's not that the standards are high, it's that she's not cut out to meet them.

[muffinman-owns.livejournal.com]

I am truly not looking for an argument, my original post was more of a rant than an open message.

I don't know many rights I don't have that I really need, to be honest. If there's one right that I still maintain fighting for it's the equal wages. However, all the jargon about lowering the standards so that I can be a firefighter, police officer, professional athlete (Which is stupid because women pro athletes are total beasts at what they do and don't need standards lowered at ALL), or most any other job, is pointless to me.
The "man" is not telling you you cannot do these jobs because you're a woman. He's telling you you can't do them because you don't meet the standards.

That's really just one section of the spectrum having to do with the subject of feminism, and the one that really strikes me as awry.

Like I said, some countries have religious and governmental intervention preventing them from having such rights that other countries have. That is a whole other issue that cannot be solved by women screaming and hollering like the officials in those countries actually give a flying fuck.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

However, all the jargon about lowering the standards so that I can be a firefighter, police officer, professional athlete

Do people actually advocate that? o.0 I've never heard of that... that is just kind of strange, to be honest. Why would anyone even want it? It sounds more condescending than anything else --- like saying "let's make it easier for the poor little weak women".

EDIT: Oh I keep failing. *sees your response*

Okay, yeah, that is just weird. I could understand if it was something like the people in charge of the practical exams or something either subconsciously or consciously marking a woman down as weaker or something when she's performed just as well as a guy, but trying to say that the standards that they are marked against should be changed to be easier? That's just bizarre.

[muffinman-owns.livejournal.com]

And I've never even heard of that. I'm sure there are employers who secretly have it in their minds that hiring a man is more beneficial than hiring a woman, but many women have rose up against such people and have become leaders of fortune 500 companies.
Clearly there was a change and therefore, women pretty much CAN achieve such high statuses without whining about being oppressed.

[caliador.livejournal.com]

Or maybe rethinking the actual requirements of the job now that we have much improved technology? Why do you single out female firefighters? There are plenty of them around now and they are opening doors for other women in the future. I certainly don't think there is anything odd about female police officers, and yet they had a struggle to be respected at first.

[cobryn-moy.livejournal.com]

I honestly see where you're coming from, because I remember being there myself. But what somebody said in a fight on a forum isn't the very best grounds for assessing feminism.

A lot of the time, the fights between fandom feminists and, well, people who are sick of fandom feminists, stem from the fact that those arguing the feminist perspective will often shorthand common feminist arguments and expect people to pick up on it. To those who haven't had the same exposure to the background reading, their arguments can sound hyperbolic or ridiculous.

I'm not saying you must put yourself out to go and learn about feminist thought, but if you do have some spare time and the inclination, a little exploration of the feminist blogosphere can really help one to articulate problems with gender inequalities today. If it doesn't win you over to those points of view which, at first, seem OTT and extreme, it will at least give you solid examples of such positions to refute.

Some good starting places:
Shakesville's Feminism 101 (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2004/10/feminism-101.html)
Feministe (http://www.feministe.us/blog/)
The Angry Black Woman (http://theangryblackwoman.com/)