[ SECRET POST #7007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #7007 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Whitney Houston]



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02. [SPOILERS for season two of The Night Manager]




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03. [WARNING for discussion of Neil Gaiman, sexual assault/rape]




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04. [WARNING for discussion of JKR, transphobia]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

























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Comments

[fscom]

05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

I instantly lose respect for any horror movie content creator who says Christian „deserved“ to die because he was such a shitty boyfriend and especially if they say he cheated.
Was he a great boyfriend? No. But being a bad boyfriend shouldn‘t get you the death penalty.
Did he cheat? Nope, he was drugged and raped. And if you blame him for that, that‘s pretty shitty.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh for real OP. Like Christian was absolutely a shit boyfriend, no doubt about that, but Dani was also a deeply, deeply troubled person who has something horribly traumatic happen, and it made her kind of latch onto him as the only stable thing in her life. Shit went sideways because neither of them were equipped to handle it.

No one was really at fault, it was a shit situation that got horrifically worse, but people need someone to blame so it tends to be Christian because he already wanted out, and I guess they see his drugged rape as an extension of that? It's a very weird take and one I can't agree with tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

The worst thing about this discourse is that if the creator glosses over the rape and someone brings it up in the discussion/comments, someone will jump on them to "We don't need to acknowledge that anymore, it's all anyone ever talks about; yall care more about him than everything that happened to the protag because everyone always cares more about the man, you just proved why this movie's existence is so important for feminism." Or worse and more commonly, "It wasn't rape because in a scene before that he said he was attracted to the girl."

[(Anonymous)]

"It wasn't rape because in a scene before that he said he was attracted to the girl."

I want to rip my skin off every time someone doesn't understand that consent can be redrawn at any time, even during sex.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfamiliar with this fandom but when so many people struggle with media literacy, it's not surprising that nuance eludes them as well.

[(Anonymous)]

The "deserves to die" may vary based on the lens you're looking through - objectively, does someone deserve to die because they're a shitty partner? Of course not. But horror movie logic has a different definition of "deserving to die." For example, I'd say the dumbass who pissed on the cult's special log had it coming, but only in this genre.

Absolutely agree on the cheating aspect. It's really weird when people say he cheated on her. Did we watch the same movie? It was rape.

[feotakahari]

Yeah, in horror you can “deserve” to die for bringing your own food into the movie theater. (One of the later Final Destinations.)

What fandom is this?

[(Anonymous)]

I’m really curious!

Re: What fandom is this?

[(Anonymous)]

A horror film called "Midsommar."

Re: What fandom is this?

[(Anonymous)]

Midsommer.

[(Anonymous)]

The ambiguity of the overall situation is what makes Midsommar such a powerful horror movie. How can you place blame on any of the outsiders? Can you even place blame on the cult? How do the murders enacted by the cult relate to those enacted by her sister? Such a great movie. Literary-level storytelling.

And yeah, all that apparently went right over those content creators' heads.

[(Anonymous)]

This fucking movie. The thing is, I didn't like it. I thought it was pretentious and boring.
But for me it became one of those movies like American Psycho there I judge person's opinion on it. No, Christian didn't cheat, he was raped. No, the cult didn't kill only "rude" peoole, they killed non-white couple whom just wanted out. Even horror movie logic and all the revenge plots don't make the ending good ending - Dani was indoctrinated into cult.

[(Anonymous)]

Technically, everyone killed by the cult had disrespected their traditions in some way. The British couple caused a scene at the ättestupa ceremony (completely understandable because it was culturally shocking to them; and the cult members who hadn't prepared them beforehand paid with their lives as well). I think they were killed more for disturbing the ceremony than for wanting out.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbf yeah, you are right. I think it just have different gravitas from a horror trope view.

[(Anonymous)]

That's another thing that gets me - some people try to spin the ending as this weird feminist empowerment scene when actually, it's the culmination of a woman getting love bombed, manipulated and having her emotional distress weaponised against her.

[(Anonymous)]

That final shot showing her smile. Soooo good. A horror movie with a truly horrific ending. *chef's kiss*

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT!
Exactly!

[(Anonymous)]

Some people including the writer and director of the movie apparently. Though at least he also admitted it's supposed to be an over-the-top cathartic revenge fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

There's such a big difference between '(character) deserved to die' and 'it was satisfying to watch (character) die', and I understand using the former as shorthand for the latter, since... well, it doesn't *matter* if we enjoy watching a fictional character die, they're not real. But, someone seriously asserting that yes they mean they believe a character deserved to die for some petty bullshit reason? I do not care for THAT.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with your take, he didn't deserve to die and he was raped. I thought it was ambiguous in the movie whether he was interested in cheating, which added another layer of complexity to the character dynamics and Christian's abusiveness, but that doesn't make what actually happened to him consensual.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole thing as I remember it could basically be a thought experiment in "Is it consensual if you consent to taking a drug that you know will remove your ability to consent?" Presuming he was told enough about what effects the drug would have, which also wasn't clear.

[(Anonymous)]

I really wanted to see Midsommar until I was spoiled that there was rape in it.

I can handle that kind of subject matter, but I need to know how "bad" it's going to be beforehand. Is the assault off-screen, half shown, or is it super graphic or violent, like Irreversible (Irreversible is the reason why I don't walk into movies with rape anymore)? So I spoiled myself about Midsommar to figure out if I could handle it.

When I found out the MC's boyfriend was the victim of a woman-on-man rape, I thought I could handle that, since it's rarely graphically or over-the-top violent. Then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments under the spoilers and saw how people not only thought the boyfriend deserved to die the way he did, but they laughed at and thought he deserved to be raped, too. I was disgusted, and further grossed out when I found out the movie might have also treated his assault as something he deserved.

I blocked every user I saw cheer for the boyfriend's rape and murder, and decided then, and there, I will NEVER watch Midsommar.

[(Anonymous)]

It's one of the most graphic rape scenes I've ever seen and intentionally choreographed and filmed to exaggerate the aspects of dehumanization and humiliation involved.

NGL, I laughed out loud at the end of the scene, which was a puzzling reaction that I can only attribute to (1) some kind of paradoxical reaction to the horror of it all, and (2) the fact that it involved an unlikeable male character stumbling around in a disoriented state of full-frontal nudity, which was something I was not expecting to see in a horror movie or like... in general on a screen.

But yeah, it was a clear-cut case of rape, and I can't fathom any argument that the rape or murder was deserved.

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Apparently the director's cut has extended scenes where Boyfriend is more manipulative and generally shitty. Maybe that's what they saw? I kind of doubt it though.