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[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

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Me too, anon! I used to feel uncomfortable about my fandom life interacting with my real life, but because of some feedback I've gotten I feel like now I've got to keep my real life out of fandom life, too.

People need to chill out and smoke moar.

Because pot is so prevalent in my area and most of my RL friends smoke it, I expected that the same was true with my fandom friends. Boy was I wrong.

The only problem I have with that is although many of them drink often, or fill themsleves with caffeine, or smoke cigarettes, they still act like I'm raping a baby whenever I mention that I've gotten stoned. Hypocrisy, much?

Yeah, people not to seriously chill out about pot. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's fucking heroin.

...and of all things to be illegal. It has been scientifically proven to be less detrimental to the body than alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. And as with everything, it's all about moderation. I'm a fully functioning adult who runs her own business and I would like to kick back about once a week, smoke, and relax. It does not make me a criminal. Nor does it make me a bad person. But some people still believe that it does while they drink 3 cups of coffee a day. Sheesh.

I don't look down on you, anon. I gonna go get myself a drink in a minute, LOL.

Fandom's default mode is to look down on everyone else that doesn't do things exactly the way they do. If they weren't looking down on you for drinking/smoking/drugs, they'd be looking down on you for, idk, writing rpf or using British expressions in an American fandom (or vice versa) or using too many exclamation points, lol. Or using 'lol'. With fandom, it's not just a stick - fandom has a whole freakin' forest shoved up it's collective ass.

Well, IMHO, it depends. If you do it in moderation, then by all means, do it. Just as long as you're careful and watch out for yourself(especially if you do drugs).

One thing I've always wanted to know about people that do drugs are - where do you get it from? I'm sorry if this seems like I'm being too nosy and intrusive, but it always bugged me whenever a secret like this have come up in the past - mostly because I don't know which drugs are considered illegal(I know some are used in medical treatments, but I'm not 100% sure which ones)in certain countries, also, that if you buy drugs that are considered illegal in your country, you are committing a crime(IB4 people going "well I don't give a fuck if it's illegal, I just wanna have a smoke"). Which brings me to my final question, that if you buy your drugs illegally, where does your money go? Hardly shelters for homeless puppies or orphanages, I think.

I apologize if I come off as condescending or like I'm trying to push my morals, but I am honestly curious - this is a world I know basically nothing about, aside from television and film, and well, most media portray drug use in a negative light, so not the most objective source to base off of =/

Straight-edge anon would like to second this question. I assume most people get drugs through friends, but what's THEIR source? I always wondered.

I can tell you right now that when I used to smoke (goddamn looking for a job...having to pass pre-employment drug tests sucks) my money never ever left the town I was in. I got it from a friend, who had a friend who knew a grower.

Weed/shrooms are not some sort of syndicate. Hell, my shrooms hookup was just some awesome hippy chick who lived in a trailer and only dealt while her kids were at school-as soon as the kids came home, she went into full-time mommy mode and refused to mention drugs.

And when I used to deal...my money actually did go to charity, as it's what I tend to do with any money I don't need. i didn't deal for flashy cars or nice clothes or anything, I dealt because my friends wanted a reliable dealer, and I needed bill money. Any extra profit I made tended to get bunged off to Habitat for Humanity or the local AIDS support place.

LULZ: my recaptcha? Bigmouth policy, which is the best description of the war on drugs ever.

It's pretty easy to just find somebody in a club or bar dealing around here, and I hardly live in a big town. The owners get a cut of the money too since they know it goes on.

Also, mephedrone is pretty big here (UK) and as it's not illegal yet you can buy it online and get it delivered discreetly to your door. Although... DON'T DO IT! It's nasty shit. Nobody really knows what the long-term effects are and I've had some horrible side effects from it. It's being talked about as this massive killer in the news at the moment, which is a total exaggeration of course when you read less hysteric articles which give you the solid evidence, but still I really wouldn't recommend it.

Hardly shelters for homeless puppies or orphanages, I think.

Well, arguably ditto for multi-nationals :P

I personally am not big on buying from people I don't know because like you said, who knows where the money goes or what the hell's in it? I know a few people who grow pot so it's actually not hard to get hold of it and it's just going towards their personal wealth.

Probably more people than you think dabble in drugs but a lot tend to keep it quiet because it's so ~controversial. Most of the time, it's friends enjoying a spliff from a safe source rather than the drug lords you see in the media.

Just fyi, you are coming off as condescending. I'll take your word that you didn't intend to, but you did.

Preface: this only applies to America, and maybe only to the midwest.

So, yes, some of the money used to purchase illegal drugs goes to criminals. A lot of the local people aren't involved with anyting terribly bad, other than drug trafficking, which is only bad because it's illegal, but they are criminals. A lot of marijuana is grown locally, as well, so if that's your drug of choice, you can probably purchase it without funding anything other than the production and distribution of the drugs you want. If you're buying anything (cocaine, for example) that is grown/processed mainly out of the country, you probably will incidentally be funding some more dangerous criminal activities (up to and including human trafficking and murder). So yeah, that's bad. However, if the drugs weren't illegal in the first place, there is no reason that money used to purchase the drugs would go to criminals or fund criminal activities.

That said, I'm fairly certain that the money you use to purchase things doesn't go to shelters for homeless puppies or orphanages, either. I'm not sure how much attention you pay to what you purchase, but there's a fairly good chance that you purchase materials that are produced overseas, very likely involving child labor, unfair treatment of workers in general, etc. If you ever purchase counterfeit goods (fake designer labels) you are supporting human trafficking, child labor, and often organized crime. So, my basic point is, all illegal purchases aren't inherently "bad", and all legal purchases aren't inherently "good", and nobody spends all their money on puppy shelters.

cosigned

Though obviously, as with all things, it's better to buy local and organic whenever possible. :D

Word.

In a US context, at least drug deals hire local. And in a lot of places, the weed is grown at least in state.

That's more then can be said for a lot of food Americans eat, and damn near everything we wear.

Next counter point please/

Marijuana has always been my drug of choice (although I have loved LSD and shrooms in the past), and for me it's never been hard to find. College, friends, pizza places, you can even buy off the street in larger urban areas. Also, if you smoke, all of a sudden you find other people who smoke and they always have their own dealers/know where to get it, so it's easier to find if you're in the community.

Personally I don't buy from anyone I don't know and I only buy if my friend has tried it already. You never know what's in it and you need to be careful. As far as knowing where my money goes - most marijuana in the US is locally grown, very little is shipped in. Most likely your giving money back to the dealer, which IMO is fine. They're growing it, putting the time and effort in, and taking the risks.

For weed: I went to a NYC public high school. I do not know where my money went in those years. I bought from this guy I knew who was putting himself through undergrad at Columbia majoring in BioChem, christ that was good. Now, my mother grows her own (you can legally have a plant for personal use) it took her like 15 tries and way more artificial stimulation than she was happy with but she creates some nice buds now.

For shrooms: My friend has found a patch by her house upstate.

The one time I've tried acid (way harder to get a hold of): My friend got it from this guy someone else told her about. I don't know where that money went, but as the above commenters said with things grown/made in the country there's less of a racket (though not none, just less) about it than with imported drugs.

And honestly I feel less guilty about where the money for my drugs go than for where the money from my cigarettes go. If you buy locally you'll probably be contributing to less exploitation than a pack of marlboros (but oh they're so addictive!).

Meh, I mean. I don't particularly enjoy those things but I don't try to talk other people out of doing it unless it's negatively impacting their lives. Sorry you face a lot of flack.

Oh I so agree with this comment.

I think my flist, when I still logged into LJ, instead of just checking my friends page, thinks I'm dead, because one of the last things I posted was about my massive (at the time) heroin habit-and how completely unrepentant about it I was. (I still don't regret anything except maybe spending 10k in a year on smack.)

But really, who died and made them morality police? Especially because so many people in fandom are all about equality and tolerance, and yet they go on and on about how awful drug addicts are. (Never mind the fact that real drug addiction is a major social issue) and they obviously have no fucking clue what they're talking about. It's just horribly two-faced for them to complain about one social injustice while completely and totally ignoring another.

There's a hell of a lot more to sobriety than simply "not taking drugs" but none of them understand that.

I think drugs are such a sticky issue because they're a huge example of a problem you can have that can actually take over your life, to the point where you can't be responsible for yourself anymore, and that means it's NOT always okay to have the "it's their life it's their business" policy, which is my default. However, because of that, people certainly go overboard in the other direction. OMG YOU SMOKE THE CANNABIS I THINK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. Um, for example.

Me I guess I'd say, you want to be on the lookout for signs that addiction (or w/e) is negatively affecting the person's life, and you want there to be someone watching out for that person who knows them IRL. If those two things are satisfied, then yeah, you're just preaching. Be quiet.

Honestly, when I find out someone I know does drugs, my respect for them drops substantially (This includes my mother and brother). If they keep it to themselves, and don't try to involve me in, or talk to me about it, I can pretty much forget about it.

However, when people are all like, "LOL, I'm gonna go home and get stoned! OMG! I need money to buy weed! I got my cat stoned, HAHAHA! I went through the McDonald's drive-thru totally fucked up!" So on and so forth, then I'm lucky if I can manage to keep the disgust off my face.

I personally think people who indulge in drugs are (largely) pathetic and a plague on society. I will not associate with the latter example above unless forced to, in real life or in fandom.

That being said, I also won't bother harassing someone about their stupid decisions, particularly in fandom. If I don't approve of an individual's personal choices, or find their drug-related idiocy annoying, I'll simply defriend them, simple at that. If they want to be some pathetic, smoke-shriveled, brain-dead waste of flesh, that's their prerogative. I wouldn't waste my breath trying to 'help' someone so blatantly stupid, anyway.

Wow, you're really a judgemental asshole.

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heeeee ilu OP. \m/

I've been pretty lucky, and to be honest I don't talk that much about drugs, ciggies or drink on my LJ, but I did have this one person unfriend me and tell me I need to get help when I made a post about how happy I was to come home to a beer and a cigarette after a hard day. (I'm not sayin' they ain't crutches, I'm just sayin' they make me happy so I don't care!)

It always kind of surprises me. I come from a family that drinks pretty heavily and about half of them smoke. My godmother died of lung cancer, and my godfather of liver related issues from his drinking heavily and my uncle is going to (one could argue that my grandmother died because of alcohol, because she was drunk and was dancing and fell down, but she was also 89, and if I'm 89 and that's how I die, I'll be happy), but no one I know has ever said OH MY GOD YOU'RE DISGUSTING! And pot, I just, I smoke with my mom and my friends, and at people's parties, and I've never known anyone to die from it, which is actually more than I can say for the legal stuff. Cigarettes are usually the things I get condemned for (and usually it is just a sniff of disdain, and a thing of, well I hope you know you're going to die horribly) and I actually get that, but at the same time I KNOW! Okay stop fucking telling me what I know!

And really people just have different lives. I don't particularly get people who are straight edge, but you know, whatever. If that is what makes them happy, as long you don't do it for the purpose of taking the moral high ground: good for you.

Do people seriously comment on their friends' posts to judge them about doing drugs? That would never even occur to me.

I feel you. This is why I don't really disclose on LJ how drunk I am sometimes, even if I find reading fic and leaving comments a way better when I'm drunk or high.

Mostly because I drink. a lot. And I don't want my fandom friends to think I'm a drunk or something.

And lets not even mention my love of prescription pills.

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