[ SECRET POST #1216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1216 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 15 pages, 351 secrets from Secret Submission Post #174.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - empty comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

155. http://i40.tinypic.com/vcrj1j.jpg

[heresie-irisee.livejournal.com]

this is probably the only "I judge you" secrets I'll ever agree with.

[nakki.livejournal.com]

[nymosy.livejournal.com]

i thought it was a weird black cup

[roaringmay.livejournal.com]

I thought it was a fancy exclamation mark with the dot missing.

Though I agree with the secret.

[kartos.livejournal.com]

lol, moi aussi.

[michygeary.livejournal.com]

ME TOO. Cup silhouette for the lolz.

[juanitatequila.livejournal.com]

LMFAO SAME HERE...

took me a while to figure out what it was...then I realized there was the small little text under it explaining what it was...>_>

[fickletastictot.livejournal.com]

Whatever. So long as the writer consistently uses it for speech only I doubt I'll be bothered by it. If I can survive through it in actual books then I certainly can do the same in a few fanfics.

[fickletastictot.livejournal.com]

Haha, I totally didn't get the secret the first time around. I thought it was about the use of apostrophes as quotation marks. *facepalm*

[jlh.livejournal.com]

There is little that makes me sadder than SPAG pedants. Do you correct grammar when you're talking to people as well?

I particularly despise it when they seize on informal writing like texts, tweets, or chats. If it's something like a fic that should have been beta-read, sure. But when people tweet back about your grammar? When you typed up the thing on a phone? No.

Also, when it's brought up here on FS or on blog posts or similar it's usually just used to dismiss someone's argument, as if the improper placement of one punctuation mark clearly means that the poster is an idiot and no attention should be paid to the content of their argument.

It's this strange way that people feel the need to police informal writing just because it's written. I shudder to think what they would have done back in the day when people wrote letters to each other by hand. It also implies that the only people who should write anything are those who had perfect elementary educations, which is incredibly classist.

[ireadabook.livejournal.com]

>Edited at 2010-05-02 10:31 pm UTC
Oh U.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Um, I edited the comment to put in the third ¶, but sorry if I change my mind about the things I want to say.

Seriously, is everything coming out of the tips of my fingers supposed to be magically perfect for me to be on the internet?

[cykotyks.livejournal.com]

I say this as one of the Grammar Police:

There are certain words that literate people should know how to use and spell. If you have a computer and access to the internet, you have all the tools you need to learn basic grammar. Past a certain age, you should know the differences between "it's" and "its," and "your" and "you're," and the like. It's simply unacceptable when people throw the basic structures of spelling out the window just because it's informal writing. I absolutely loathe hearing (or seeing) people justify their ignorance by insinuating that proper use of their mother tongue is only necessary in academic settings. I have seen ESL people with a better grasp of English than native speakers. I think it's fucking sad. I think it's ridiculous that my English Composition professor had to give my class a basic spelling and grammar test after we turned in our first paper. I think it's ridiculous that I was the only person out of about fifteen who aced it. I think it's ridiculous that high school teachers no longer correct spelling and grammar in papers. I think it's ridiculous that my teacher for my online college class thinks it's perfectly fine to use "lol" and smiley faces on announcements and emails.

Do I think some people are needlessly nitpicky? Yes. Do I think people should be allowed to get away with brutalizing their native language into an unrecognizable pulp? No.

So, yeah, while I may not be one of the people openly mocking secret-makers for little mistakes, I hope that some of the ridicule provokes people into learning their own goddamn language.

[ocelotish]

Yes, but there's also the matter of typos and whether or not spell check gets it. I guess it's an excuse of sorts (as they could go back and reread), but it's not the person in question being ignorant, or not trying to use the language properly; it's a mistake. I'm usually careful in comments (less so in IM just because it is a speedier form of communication), but I'm certain I've mixed up "were" and "we're" and "it's" and "its" because I might just skim over the writing in question.

Also, on the prof, I think it kind of depends on the relationship you have with him or her. I have professors who I could imagine using a smiley in reassurance, but some I'd be shocked if they even considered it. I think it depends on the type of person they are and the relationship you have with them (this is doubly true if they are using sarcasm as tone is rather hard to convey).

[soymade.livejournal.com]

IAWTC, but I'd be lying if I claimed I didn't notice errors and sometimes make assumptions based on them.

But yeah, misspelling ==> dismissing the entire argument is absurd.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you not understand about this? Did I make it too complicated? Was I not clear?



I JUDGE YOU BY YOUR USE OF APOSTROPHES.



It's a very simple convention if you spare five minutes to bother learning how to use it, and there is no excuse not to.

None.

Not even in texts, tweets, or chats -- all keyboards, all phones, all "mobile devices" have an apostrophe button or key or way to use the thing. I write correctly punctuated, capitalized, spelled texts and tweets because why should I expect people to bother reading it if I can't bother saying it?

You may shudder to think I feel a need to police informal writing, but I shudder to think that you're an educator at the college level who doesn't bother to provide such a fundamental of education as *effort matters*. I hope that your students go on to find instructors like my own humanities and social science professors who emphasize that the way you present your ideas is as important as what they are. That attention to detail has helped my career more than any other single experience in school, simply because being able to clearly articulate an idea, whether in 140 written characters or 50,000 words of technical reporting or an hour of speaking at a conference, is becoming as lost an art as letter-writing.

[iiiskaaa.livejournal.com]

Yeah... I have a lot of little grammar pet peeves I judge people for. Not understanding how to use apostrophes is only one of them.

[cykotyks.livejournal.com]

I weep for apostrophes, but does anybody even remember what a semi-colon is used for? D:

My boyfriend had a writing project where they had to write a story that was at least a page long, where all the sentences had to have a certain number of words (a big number). The teacher told them that they could "abuse semi-colons." Well, my boyfriend actually knows how to use a semi-colon, so he wrote his story, turned it in, and...the teacher told him he was cheating for "using that many semi-colons." He was about to smack her.

[miquilis.livejournal.com]

I'm judging you because I'm pretty sure that's not an apostrophe, that's a feet mark.

NGL

[v0id-dweller.livejournal.com]

This could be the greatest fandom-secret in the history of all fandom-secrets.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

Thats a bit grammar naziish do'nt you "think"?

Bah. I don't let those things get me down. Too many really talented authors with really neat stories have some grammar fail. One of my faves doesn't seem to know how to paragraph properly. Drives me nuts, but I forgive it because day-um I enjoy her stories.

[bamf-girl.livejournal.com]

Agree. There's something about really awful grammar that just makes me prickle. Where were you your entire education? I realize there are a variety of different "correct" ways to put commas, colons, etc., but there's really no excuse for people who don't know the difference between their/there/they're, your/you're, and who misspell consistently. The only excuse is having never been taught, which for the most part is (imo) a bullshit excuse. You were taught, you just couldn't be assed to remember.

Everyone's entitled to make mistakes, of course. But mistakes are mistakes only if they occur once in a while.

[skeptiik.livejournal.com]

I guess I'm being dumb, but I don't really get this secret. Are there really people who would say "red' yellow' and blue" like that? Because that's what I'm reading it as- using apostrophes instead of commas. /confused

[sir-woolley.livejournal.com]

I understood this secret the same way
confused as much as you are