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[ SECRET POST #1592 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1592 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Glee]

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[Once Upon A Time In Mexico]

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[Breakout Kings]

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[Supernatural]

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[Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai]

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[Invasion America]

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[Zork Nemesis]

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[Waiting for Godot and Good Omens]

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[Withnail & I]

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[Gorillaz]

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[The Young Riders]

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[Pride & Prejudice]

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[Shantae: Risky's Revenge]

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[bbc sherlock (lestrade)]

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24. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]

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25. [SPOILERS for Ghost Trick]

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26. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey]

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27. [SPOILERS for Death Note]

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30. [SPOILERS for Portal 2]

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32. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, abuse]

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33. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse/sexual assault]

[Glee]

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[TRIGGER WARNING for parent death?]

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36. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, racism, abuse, and pedophilia]

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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for self-harm]

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38. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual abuse]

[Kuroshitsuji II]

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While I have never shipped them, the show seems to definitely be moving towards Kurt forgiving him and them being at least friends. Of course, Kurt trying to force Karofsky to come out at Prom is going to set them back.

Especially after Karaofsky cried like that. The guy obviously feels bad/confused and he is a young adult trying to make up for it, so...I root for Kurt being friends/mentor for him :U

I would root for Kurt more if RM didn't make him such a know-it-all. The way he tried to force Karaofsky to come out when he CLEARLY wasn't ready, in such a public setting? No. Bat Kurt. Hit way too close to home for me, and was NOT freaking cool. The only person who gets to decide when Karaofsky (or any other closeted person) come out is said closeted person.

lol keep overreacting so you have a reason to be a hater. kurt was perfectly justified in giving dave the opportunity to let go of all the self-hate he carries around. you desperate kurt-haters are acting like he shouted to the whole school "HEY GUESS WHAT, THIS GUY'S JUST AS FAGGY AS I AM."

Lawl @ your over-reaction. I'm not a hater; I actually like Kurt. News flash, you can like a character and still think they did something shitty. Even though he said it quietly, it was still pressuring Karaofsky (who I dislike btw, since I know you'll jump to assume I like him.)

Letting go of your self-hate =/= broadcasting to the entire junior class that one is gay - especially since he bullied so many of them. How many of them do you think would be quick to jump him based on how he treated them alone?

That is true, pushing someone to come out is Not Cool :C Same goes for Brittany, she's pushing a bit too hard for Santana to come out. Hopefully all will turn out well for the two closets.

Actually, I would love to see some more Santana/Karaofsky supporting each other. Maybe they can come out together, idk. They're both so very scared/confused and I feel bad for them :( Not everyone is glamorous and as confident as Kurt when it comes to outing themselves.

N!S I only watch glee for Brittana, so by extension Karaofsky and Klaine interest me :U

Hahah butthurt anonfag overreacting. Damn glee fandom is scary :U

Yeah, hence why I only casually associate myself with any part of the fandom. xD

Ugh exactly. =C Brittany I could maybe excuse since many societal norms seem to fly over her head - even after seeing how Kurt was treated, I could understand her maybe thinking no one would care. But both Karaofsky and Santana have a track record of being... well, not the nicest of people. I could see a lot of students jumping on any reason to antagonize them back, and both should be able to come out in their own time. I agree, seeing a little more support between them would be nice, but since the show's creator has all but SAID Kurt is his self-insert I doubt it'll happen. It'll be Saint Kurt to Karaofsky's rescue. *eyeroll* I like Kurt ok as a character, but it can get painfully obvious when RM is just using him as a puppet.

I also like Kurt, but sometimes I just feel awkward/second-hand embarrassment for him. Am I imagining it, or does he cry over everything? At first it was "aaaw", but now it's "jfc you have a backbone, use it". He is so delightfully passive-aggressive at times too...but the crying reminds me of Rachel and she's just, irk (IMO of course)

I had heard that Kurt is a bit of a self-insert. Awkward moment there

tldr; I have no-one to discuss glee with since I refuse to leap into fandom. I'll be dragged into that stupid Brittana/Bartie argument and I just don't care that much.

"tldr; I have no-one to discuss glee with since I refuse to leap into fandom. I'll be dragged into that stupid Brittana/Bartie argument and I just don't care that much."

Ahahahaha this exactly. xD It'd be nice to discuss the show (any show, really) without the ridiculous shipwars.

And yeah, I agree on the crying, and the way he reacts to some things just bugs me. Like how he reacted when his dad didn't have a double standard - no girls in Finn's bed, no boys in Kurt's bed. How this doesn't make sense is beyond me, especially when he should have asked to have a friend over regardless of gender. What was his dad supposed to think?

(Rachel amuses me, but she's definitely not a favorite. The only thing I can say for her is at least she's unabashedly herself...? Not always a good thing but there it is. xD)

Yeah, I mean it's not like Karofsky has hurt Kurt because of his own self-hatred or anything. there's absolutely no reason for Kurt to want to not have to deal with being around his abuser and being nice to him because he's the only one who knows and has the carry that burden. /SARCCASM

Karofsky lovers are so ridiculous. Guess what? Karofsky made his sexuality Kurt's business. Kurt has already been WAY nice to Karofksy when he should have outed him after the kiss. Kurt doesn't owe Karofsky shit and that includes keeping his secret. You know why? Because keeping that secret means he can never come clean about being a victim of sexual assault and the fear he felt after. If anything Karofsky is the selfish one forcing Kurt to not only keep his secret and forgive him, but keeping the secret about an assault he experienced.

Also; saying "this is a chance to come out" =/= forcing. Jesus.

forcing Kurt to not only keep his secret and forgive him

Um...what?

1. Kurt kept his secret because he didn't believe in outting people. Even Karofsky called him out on that in a recent episode.

2. How did Karofsky force Kurt to forgive him?

1. Kurt was forced to keep the secret about the assault and Karofsky's sexual orientation because Karofsky threatened his fucking life. Or did everyone just conviently forget that little detail? Because that was the original reason why he didn't say anything eventhough he was terrified and telling about the sexual assault would have enabled Kurt to stay at McKinley and get Karofksy expelled.

2. You're right. It might not be forcing, but it sure as hell was coercive. Crying in the freaking hallway about how sorry he was for abusing Kurt doesn't really give Kurt much of a choice. Doing that in the first place was extremely selfish and Kurt would have been made to feel guilty and like a total ass if he didn't accept the apology.

1. Kurt wasn't going to tell anyone even before the death threat. Also he had a chance to tell people why after the threat in Furt but he still didn't tell them. Why? He was around lots of people to protect him. Maybe because he doesn't like outting people. Yes it's stupid and if I was in his position I would of told but Kurt didn't.

2. It was implied that this apology wasn't going to happen in that scene. It was Kurt talking to him that made Karofsky cry. Kurt telling him that he see his pain caused it. I'm pretty sure that Karofsky didn't plan that apology at all.

1. Even IF that wasn't reason Karofksy still, at the very least, tried to force Kurt into silence with fucking deaththreats. And I'm still not coninced that's not why Kurt didn't tell. I don't believe that Kurt would sacrifice THAT much to keep Karofsky's secret if he wasn't also scared that the threat would be realized.

2. So?

And yes I know it's fucking stupid what Karofsky did. Also it was fucking stupid that Kurt didn't tell anybody about the threat. I would chalk it up to them being stupid teens not knowing what to do in these situations.

So, you're implying that Karofsky planned that whole apology, even though Kurt unintentionally instigated it. Plus you should know that Karofsky is struggling with his sexuality plus fully regretting all the shit he did to Kurt. Karofsky cracking under the pressure was bound to happen eventually.

Exept Kurt wasn't "stupid" for not telling someone about a sexual assault and abuse. Victims aren't stupid for not wanting to face the stigma and a death threat. So sick of people laying the blame on Kurt for not telling. How about laying the blame on Karofksy for assaulting and threatening him? Which also wasn't just a stupid teenage thing, it was cold, planned and systematic abuse. Karofksy didn't just stop with the "kiss" he continued the sexual harrasment afterwards in a completely controlled and calmheaded manner.

I also fucking hate when people say things like "Krofsky was stupid, but Kurt was stupid too". It's like hearing rape apologists saying "Yeah, raping her was stupid, but she was stupid for wearing slutty clothes~". Just no. It doesn't work that way.

Lol, my comment "So?" implied all that for you? It simply meant; "I do not care if he planned it, it was still coercive".

Ooookay before I continue, I just like to point out that I'm sticking strictly on the canon of the show in this debate. So I usually avoid the "was the kiss sexual assault or not" topics like the plague since they go nowhere and start so much hate and wank. With that in mind, no I'm not victim blaming at all. I'm not a rape apologist either.

Anyway....

Kurt: "I could just hate you when you were bullying me but...Now? All I see is your pain."

And after Karofsky apologized

Kurt: "I know...I know"

You say Karofsky was coercive with his apology but what Kurt said before it implies that Kurt already forgave him even without a proper apology. for Karofsky.

You know what, I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. For me I read that very differently. Like, that was how I felt when my abuser lost his son. All I could think was that he looked so miserable and broken and I didn't feel angry at him anymore and I couldn't see him as a monster at that moment. But... I never forgave him for what he did to me. And that's kind of how I see it. And maybe people with different experiences put different things into that scene. But for me all I could think is that if he had apologized for the abuse after the funeral while crying I would feel terribly obligated to say it's okay and would find that really coercive and difficult to back out of. I think Karofksy should have waited. And he should have done it when they were alone and when he had actually taken some kind of effort to change himself. Like I said, we should probably just agree to disagree.

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2. The thing about the crying while apologizing is, Karofsky was actually that sorry. Enough for him to actually cry. he put his heart out there and Kurt accepted it. And you can never force someone to forgive. You could make them say that they forgive you, but they could still never actually fovgive them until they actually wanted to.

Also, being selfish by apologizing, what bullshit is that?

I don't think Karofksy apologized for Kurt. I think he apologized to make himself feel better. If he had actually put any effort into chaning himself before this I might have believed him. As it is? No way. I also think you're really naive if you think all, if not most, apologies aare actually made to make the victims feel good. In my esperience they tend to be selfish.

That's MY opinion. I'm not saying anyone has to share it.

Just because part of an apology is to make the person apologizing feel better doesn't mean that it's not honest. If Karofsky wasn't sorry for what he did he wouldn't have needed to feel better by apologizing, would he?

It's also incredibly hard to change ones self when you're afraid that by doing so you're going to be persecuted. Keep in mind he only became a member of the bully whips because Santana threatened him. Karofsky is scared to come out of the closet. It's a big thing to ask someone to change when they're not ready, like when Kurt told Karofsky to come out of the closet. It's irrational for you to expect him to change on his own will, not when his life is controled by the fear of persecution by his peers.

Feeling guilty and only looking to relive that guilt and not the pain of the person you abused is selfish.

It's not hard to stop being an asshole. I'm not saying he should come out. I never said that. If he had taken the initiative to become a better person by himself, and not because of Santana, for exmaple. Or maybe said that, hey, I can change schools so you can come back because I know you don't feel safe around me! Or apologizing to Figgins and try to help Kurt get back without any kind of blackmail. As it is Karofksy is still the same bully he was. He's just been blackmailed into stopping and did not stop out of any real change of character or feelings of guilt. lol at me being "irrational" for expecting someone to stop abusing people because they're ~scared~. Every gay person is scared. Only the assholes and abusers chose to show that fear through abusing other people. hth.

"Feeling guilty and only looking to relive that guilt and not the pain of the person you abused is selfish. "

But that does not mean that the person apologizing doesn't mean it and doesn't want the person apologizing to know. If you want to think an apology is a bad thing, then fine. Go ahead and live in your world of complete distrust of others, people actually do have good intentions at times, and just because it helps them feel better to does not mean that what they did was selfish or bad. Unless you really think that Kurt did not want to hear an apology, or didn't want to know whether Karofsky was sorry or not, what he did was not a selfish or bad thing to do.

And you fail at forgivness. I forgive Karofsky for acting out of fear, because acting out of fear, is a very human and natural thing to do.

And yes, you're still irrational.

force? no. he said it would be a perfect opportunity for him to come out. he didn't go "you need to come out. now. do it do it! DO IT!"

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