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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-08-05 08:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #1676 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1676 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Toriko]


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[Bubble Sisters, After School, Beast and T-ARA]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters]


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[Frezned/YouTube]


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[Orc Stain]


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[Tiger & Bunny]


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[My Fair Lady]


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(Strawberry Shortcake's Berry Bitty Adventures)


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[Glee]


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20. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]



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22. [SPOILERS for Voyager]



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23. [SPOILERS for Agents of Cracked]



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24. [SPOILERS for A Dance with Dragons/A Song of Ice and Fire]



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25. [SPOILERS for A Dance with Dragons]



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27. [TRIGGER WARNING for self injury]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con and pedophilia]



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(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Before I say anything: I'm not an expert on cultural appropriation and I am also white. It's not my place to judge whether people of color should or should not offended by the cultural appropriation/blackface in these pictures; if you find it offensive, I will acquiesce to your judgment and feelings.

BUT to the OP: Note how none of the people in this picture are white. None of these people have white privilege, and I'm pretty sure that none of their ancestors owned black slaves in America or created minstrel shows, or killed Native Americans to take their land. They have their own racial history and politics and I don't expect them to know everything about America as if America is the center of the world. Part of the reason cultural appropriation/blackface by white people is so harmful is because white people also oppress blacks and Native Americans and have for centuries. That doesn't necessarily make it okay for PoC to do it (see disclaimer above) but social context matters.

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
YES.

They have their own racial history and politics and I don't expect them to know everything about America as if America is the center of the world.

OMG, please, people, remember this. As a non-American, I see so many things that are offensive over there that wouldn't even be noticed here. And things that are INCREDIBLY offensive here but totally PC in America.

[identity profile] arathe.livejournal.com 2011-08-06 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
A little off topic, but I'd be curious to hear what things are offensive where you live (and where that is) that would be considered PC in America. I'm all about learning how not to make an ass of myself if/when I go traveling.

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Same here. I didn't know the victory sign was offensive in the UK, for example.

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Generally, I think it's only the backwards version (so your palm is facing you) that's offensive, as far as I know.

It stems from the battle of Agincourt where the British longbowmen beat back the French who had supposedly threated to cut off the fingers of the archers if they were defeated. Its use is ambiguous until the early 20th century. However, by the fifties it was common amongst school kids.

So I think you'd be okay with a regular peace/victory sign :).

It's suprising what fingers have insulting meanings in different countries. Worth reading about if one is bored/travelling/curious.

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, if they are going ot take something from American culture, they should make sure they aren't doing some unintentionally offensive. On the other hand, most Americans clearly don't care much about how they portray Koreans, so why should Koreans care about American culture? What you wrote in your comment is something I have thought a lot about in the past, and I still don't have an answer.

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, most Americans clearly don't care much about how they portray Koreans, so why should Koreans care about American culture?

MTE.

[identity profile] jump2narnia.livejournal.com 2011-08-07 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, most Americans clearly don't care much about how they portray Koreans, so why should Koreans care about American culture?

+1

[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2011-08-06 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I kind of agree with you, but kind of not.

I don't think they should be held to the level of accountability as Americans would if they tried the same thing. Clearly the context is different. But the K-pop industry is constantly trying to go international and promote internationally. Generally this means just Asia, but there are fans in North America and there have been concerts here also. Some Americans are going to see this (and have) and be offended by it. Along with any attempt to internationalize you have to be sensitive to this stuff.

And I don't think Koreans are ignorant, either - the Kikwang blackface thing is pretty obviously riffed off American racist stuff (ugh, the watermelon!). They KNOW it's racist. Yeah America isn't the centre of the world, but they DO listen to American music, watch American movies, etc. Assuming complete ignorance is almost condescending. On the one had you have to blame America for coming up with it in the first place and exporting their racism, but on the other hand... he's painting his face black as part of a humiliation routine. Is there any culture in which that's NOT racist?

(Anonymous) 2011-08-06 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
THIS. This is not 100 years ago - most people know racism from other countries when they see it. POC don't have to exist only in America to be offended.

And saying they don't have the power given to white people is naive. THEY ARE THE MAJORITY IN THIER OWN COUNTY. I've seen what many POC endured there and it wasn't pretty.
ext_81845: amuro ray from mobile suit gundam, in his underwear, from the doan's island episode (WTF?!)

[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2011-08-06 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.
People in Korea and most parts of the world have access to the internet and should be able to know what is or isn't offensive in other parts of the world. As an American, I'm expected to know what does or doesn't offend people in foreign countries, I don't see why the rest of the world should get a free pass.