[ SECRET POST #1678 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1678 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

SHE officially ended HER side of their friendship at 16. Seems pretty clear he never ended his side, even if he did get lost along the way.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

But I DO feel horrendously bad for what Sirius must have felt.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's what the whole "let go" part of the secret is about.

You really can't have a one-sided friendship. If it's not mutual than it's not healthy, it's obsessive.

TBH though I think Snape kind of fetishized the idea of a friend from the start (because of the abuse and isolation), which is why he kept going even when she stopped returning his affection. He was too broken to be able to figure it out.

[(Anonymous)]

a one-sided friendship isn't a friendship. it's someone being creepy and too much of a fucking reality-denying loser to just let it go.

inb4 omg hdu his luvvvvvv for her was beautiful and tragic ur a bad person!!1!!!!

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

1. It is true, that is an asshole comment.
2. Because, OMG so what? He had a friend that he lost that he regretted losing. It sounds like "THAT NEVER HAPPENS TO ANYBODY BUT LAME AND MALADJUSTED PEOPLE. NOT NORMAL LIKE ME!"

[(Anonymous)]

yeah and he lost her when he used a seriously offensive slur against her. then proceeded to obsess over her like the stunted emotionally unhealthy creep that he is.

quit projecting and go find something productive to do. or finger yourself vigorously to your snape fanfiction, whatever works i guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Well gee you seem like a rational, logic-respecting debater. /blatant sarcasm.

[(Anonymous)]

you are taking things way too seriously first of all, and second where is this alleged logic you speak of?

and who said there was a debate? i don't see any podiums.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, sorry, I'm a different anon from the first. Nice try though. It was cute.

And if you seriously believe you need a podium for a debate, you have a very narrow mindset. Not that your horrifically distasteful trolling isn't evidence of that enough.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Do you mean podium, or lectern? Different things.

[(Anonymous)]

...Which he regretted doing and probably ended up playing even more into him regretting losing the friendship later on? As far as the obsessing goes - it does happen in real life and, yes, there have been times when normal people, with normal social lives have done that. : /

[(Anonymous)]

if you grow up to obsess, stalk and make your entire life about one person who wants absolutely nothing to do with you, you are not normal hth

and only regretting saying a slur because it means your crush doesn't want to be around you is genuinely shitty too. don't be sorry because you're gonna lose something, be sorry because what you did was fucking awful.

[(Anonymous)]

He had a friend that he lost that he regretted losing

Uh I think we learned it was a lot more than 'regretted losing.' Every move of his life past the age of 17 was about Lily's memory. That's really sad, really unhealthy and really, really maladjusted.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. He still became a Death Eater, despite knowing damn well how much she disapproved of it. Who really knows what he actually did as an Eater? Presumably, he's killed at least one person. He knew Lily wouldn't like it, but did it anyway. That's nothing like what you're saying at all.

[(Anonymous)]

He continued to act as a Death Eater under Dumbledore's orders. He was following Dumbledore's plan not because he believed in that Harry would be able to kill Voldemort, but because Dumbledore was continuing to hold Lily's death over his head. Dumbledore was very blatantly using Lily's memory to manipulate Snape, and Snape knew it, and allowed it, because he was so tortured over the death of a girl he had a crush on when they were children.

I mean, this is canon. This is the very, very pathetic canon of Snape's life.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I get that. But there was the span of a few years between Snape initially becoming a Death Eater and when he overheard Trewlawney's prophecy. There was a loyalty to Voldemort, no matter how much out of cowardice it eventually began to be based on. It was not always completely 100% nonstop about Lily in his earlier years. Between the "Mudblood" incident and becoming a double agent, Snape lived his life based on his own poor choices.

I'm talking about the very small number of years where there is a gap in the canon.

[dragonladyk.livejournal.com]

Dumbledore was very blatantly using Lily's memory to manipulate Snape, and Snape knew it, and allowed it,

I'm going to say this because I think Dumbledore was the second-biggest douche in the entire series, and the only reason he is in the number two spot is because it's pretty damn hard to beat wizarding Hitler --

Even if Snape had tried to move freaking on after Lily died or even tried to, Dumbledore would have put the kabosh on that right away. Lily was the only thing Dumbledore had to manipulate Snape with, and he did it pretty damn shamelessly. If Snape moved on or became a whole person (like Harry) he wouldn't have been as controllable.

Both of them were so well-programmed by the time Dumbledore was through that neither of them even tried to come up with their own plan -- one that didn't end in them dying. Dumbledore even made certain that every time he presented Snape's motives to Harry, he did so in the way that made Snape look the worst -- thus making sure Harry never mellowed enough to Snape not to be flaming jackass to the man. Can't have his pawns allying with each other, now can we? They're so much easier to control alone.

Secondly, given what we know of Voldemort and Slyths in general, it is entirely possible that Lily was the only person in Snape's life who wasn't only nice to him because she wanted something from him. Like Raistlin and Bupu in DragonLance, that's going to make a distinct impression.

DragonLady

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

You know unrequited love used to be a noble and self-sacrificing sort of literary device (and that is what we are discussing, literary characters), but I suppose it has no place in a world that prefers a focus on more direct and assertive behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

lol yeah, his love was so pure and self sacrificing that he was completely willing to remorselessly sell out her husband and infant son to a genocidal maniac in exchange for her life. Man, I hope I can find someone that fucking noble.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

He changed his mind.

And I believe Snape is just one of the many examples in this series how "noble and self-sacrificing" acts usually have pettier and selfish intentions.

[hoopyfroodyford.livejournal.com]

Not only that, but if his love for her was so pure he might have treated her son with some kind of respect, or at least not treat him like shit. He was partly responsible for this kid being an orphan, and he only shat on the wound by constantly bullying Harry and insulting his dead father. And that's supposedly some selfless, pure, noble love. Oi.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow if you really think what Snape felt for Lily was love and not obsessive wish fulfillment ... just wow.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I don't think it matters.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Yes, Snape's love was so noble that he treated her son worse than dirt. His love was so noble he was willing to let her husband and son die (it doesn't matter that he changed his mind, the fact that he was willing in the first place says a lot about her character). His love was so noble that he only regretted using a slur against her because it was against her. He believed she was an exception but actually believed the pureblood crap.

I think the scene worked in the movie because a lot of the worst of the baggage wasn't there. In the movie, it really did read like noble and self-sacrificing unrequited love. In the books, though, Snape comes across as an obsessed jerk with serious issues who likes to bully children.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, you can't have a "friendship" with only one person. If one person ends their side of the friendship, that's it. Those people aren't friends anymore, at least until they BOTH decide to become friends again.