[ SECRET POST #1727 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1727 ⌋


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Comments

[frozenish.livejournal.com]

Ok id really k what this thing you're talking about is, but... well, yeah, most people aren't intentionally thinking, "Hmm, how can I fuck over women and reinforce the patriarchy today?" but guess what just because it's not necessarily intentional doesn't mean it doesn't still happen. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she is probably just trying to point out how insidious and normalized things that are harmful to women are.

imo.

[rosehiptea.livejournal.com]

That's what I was thinking. Though I haven't watched this either.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I hope OP was just trying to troll, otherwise they have incredibly simplistic and juvenile ideas of how the world (and the patriarchy) works. People generally try to do their best. Nobody outside of a kid's superhero cartoon wakes up and goes "I really feel like kicking some puppies and oppressing women today, being evil ownz." People don't always realise when they're being misogynist/racist/hurtful/whatever, or if they do they don't realise why it's wrong. Pointing out things you think are wrong is necessary and might make some people think about what they're doing and believing.

It's always lovely when somebody posts a secret that is basically "I'm a feminist... and I think we already have equality! Geez why can't we all stop complaining about misogyny now!". Derrr.

[frozenish.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I can never tell when this "I'm not anti-feminist, but..." people are trolls or not, so I usually just don't comment, but this one seemed kind of earnest? Idk.

It's always lovely when somebody posts a secret that is basically "I'm a feminist... and I think we already have equality! Geez why can't we all stop complaining about misogyny now!".

Oh yes, these are my favorites. I never know whether to giggle at such sweet little bunny rabbit naivete, or to wonder if the poster is hoping to earn her "exceptional female" card from the boys' club.

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I totally agree with you. Misogynistic ideas (among all of the other harmful ideas) are often subtle and insidious, and if you're not fully aware of them, hearing somebody call them out can seem like nitpicking or being over-sensitive.

On the other hand, while I don't know about this particular person, I understand that sometimes people don't go about this in the most palatable manner. If she's consistently criticizing everything done wrong and never praising steps in the right direction, it can get grating. It's understandable to be frustrated with media never getting things exactly right, but it's unreasonable to assume that Hollywood is just going to magically get it all right overnight. These things take time.

But again, I don't know all the details of this particular situation, so I can't say whether the OP is justified in their annoyance or not.

[(Anonymous)]

If she's consistently criticizing everything done wrong and never praising steps in the right direction

yeah, lemme tell you, the major problem with feminism is it doesn't fawn and thank men/media whenever they're not grossly sexist. so ungrateful that sometimes they can meet the basic standards of human decency.

[(Anonymous)]

But a balanced review makes things look less like randomised hatin' to doubters and more like a, well, balanced review.

You know: "this is shit, this is shit, this is shit, but look at this! This thing? This is awesome!" Because at the minute, finding places that point me in the direction of the awesome things is pretty difficult. Because sometimes things aren't all shit (and sometimes there are okay things that are awesome in some regards and shit in others.)

[(Anonymous)]

i think it's good to point out stuff when it's awesome!

my problem is:

a) it shouldn't be required to be taken seriously--you shouldn't have to find something good, no matter how small, to be "balanced." (this sounds kinda like how news reporters feel obligated to invite "both sides" no matter how unfounded and ridiculous one is.)

and mostly, b) the original comment said "praise steps in the right direction," which i interpret to mean any steps, no matter how tiny. i'm all for pointing out when something's awesome, but, like, treating a woman who enjoys sex as 100% normal and not either a slut OR fanservice for dudes is technically a "step in the right direction," but i'm not going to go out of my way to praise that because it's so basic.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Are you comparing entertainment to news? Because, no. That's the biggest problem with media-consuming culture now, is that so many people can't tell the difference and equate their importance.

[(Anonymous)]

Anybody who understands how learning works can tell you that pointing out the good jobs alongside correcting the bad ones works a hell of a lot better than just constantly going, "No, that's wrong." People are so inundated by a sexist society that they don't always know why something is offensive, nor do they know how to make it less/not offensive. In a feminist space, yeah, criticize away. Most people there are going to know what you're talking about. But out in the rest of the world, it helps to appeal to the audience instead of alienating them by making them think that they can't get anything right.

That aside, my comment wasn't a critique of feminism, it's a critique on critical reviews in general. It just happens to apply to a feminist topic this time around.

[dragonladyk.livejournal.com]

This isn't just true of reviews for media. This is true in management, teaching, dog training, parenting... pretty much any time you need to convince someone to change.

Have a cookie, anon.

DragonLady

[(Anonymous)]

i don't have an issue with pointing out something that is legitimately good. my problem was in response to the wording "praise steps in the right direction," which i took to mean any step, no matter how minuscule or basic. perhaps that's not quite what you meant, but that's how i read it. this may be because i'm used to (and tired of) seeing women enthusiastically praise men or media for not being complete sexist douchebags.

i mean, yes, positive reinforcement can help, but i think it'd be equally ridiculous to expect a boss to look at a horrible employee and go "well, you lost us a million dollars, you managed to break every piece of equipment in this office, and when you tripped me earlier i broke my foot... but you tried! and you came into the office on time today!" in the same way i don't think people should be obligated to praise any bare-minimum not-awful (as opposed to genuinely great) thing.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

this tbh

[(Anonymous)]

you are 100% correct. society normalizes this kind of thing to the point where most of the time, people don't even realize that it's wrong.