[ SECRET POST #1727 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1727 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 203 secrets from Secret Submission Post #247.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

21. http://i.imgur.com/eQnfs.jpg

[frozenish.livejournal.com]

Ok id really k what this thing you're talking about is, but... well, yeah, most people aren't intentionally thinking, "Hmm, how can I fuck over women and reinforce the patriarchy today?" but guess what just because it's not necessarily intentional doesn't mean it doesn't still happen. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she is probably just trying to point out how insidious and normalized things that are harmful to women are.

imo.

[rosehiptea.livejournal.com]

That's what I was thinking. Though I haven't watched this either.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I hope OP was just trying to troll, otherwise they have incredibly simplistic and juvenile ideas of how the world (and the patriarchy) works. People generally try to do their best. Nobody outside of a kid's superhero cartoon wakes up and goes "I really feel like kicking some puppies and oppressing women today, being evil ownz." People don't always realise when they're being misogynist/racist/hurtful/whatever, or if they do they don't realise why it's wrong. Pointing out things you think are wrong is necessary and might make some people think about what they're doing and believing.

It's always lovely when somebody posts a secret that is basically "I'm a feminist... and I think we already have equality! Geez why can't we all stop complaining about misogyny now!". Derrr.

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I totally agree with you. Misogynistic ideas (among all of the other harmful ideas) are often subtle and insidious, and if you're not fully aware of them, hearing somebody call them out can seem like nitpicking or being over-sensitive.

On the other hand, while I don't know about this particular person, I understand that sometimes people don't go about this in the most palatable manner. If she's consistently criticizing everything done wrong and never praising steps in the right direction, it can get grating. It's understandable to be frustrated with media never getting things exactly right, but it's unreasonable to assume that Hollywood is just going to magically get it all right overnight. These things take time.

But again, I don't know all the details of this particular situation, so I can't say whether the OP is justified in their annoyance or not.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really think sexism is always someone TRYING to insult and degrade someone else. Most of the time it's someone unintentionally doing something that has unfortunate implications, and I think it's important for someone to point it out when this happens. I don't think it automatically makes the work in question "bad".

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

Oh boy... This is going to be fun. <3

[sarolynne.livejournal.com]

I'm only vaguely familiar with the tropes that hurt women thing, so I can't speak to that with authority, but from what I have seen... she never claims anyone is trying to fuck up women on purpose. What I've seen is her saying that some tropes and cliches are harmful to women, and often prevent them from being fully realized characters. It's talking about media culture that needs to be examined and addressed--not accusing anyone of being so actively antiwoman that they're plotting how to hurt women, reinforce negative stereotypes, or kick puppies.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that one of the main points that she tries to make by pointing out those subtle (or not so subtle) examples (or interpretations, I guess, if you want to deny they exist) of women getting fucked over is that so much of it ISN'T intentional? And that the unintentional patterns of misogyny that the media falls into are just as damaging and are essentially a barometer for the undercurrent of sexism inherent to our culture? And that ignoring or excusing those patterns just reinforces that damaging view of how women should be treated?

But no, she's totally a feminazi. Good job on being a special snowflake by not reading too far into things.

[(Anonymous)]

you sound male

[mjnuts.livejournal.com]

I like her a lot and I actually think she's very level-headed considering the feminazis in fandom...

agreed

[nadinthedreamer.livejournal.com]

to tell the truth the only her video that I saw was about the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope, and I totally disagreed with her. Saying that 'girls cannot be inspiration' is basically like saying that your favorite artist or poet or actress or just any great person cannot be inspiration because 'they are there not to inspire you'. (Especially if the said MPDGirl is willing to be an inspiration, like Kirsten Dunst's heroine in Elizabethtown.)
Well, in my own opinion at least.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure who this is but I'm just going to say this -- if someone is criticizing media, most likely they're only picking out things that are particularly problematic and analyzing them, so they wouldn't really "never [be] fucking happy with anything" as you put it. It's not like any kind of social critic of media would have the time to go down a list of every movie or tv series ever made and address the problems in each one, anyway.

[cobryn-moy.livejournal.com]

You're not just wrong, you're stupid.

When one makes any argument supported by examples, one selects examples which will support the argument. This is why murder trials, for instance, seldom include evidence of all the days on which the accused didn't murder somebody, but instead made his wife a cup of tea or leant his neighbour a strimmer.

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

I don't know anything about that girl, but I agree with the people who is saying that lots of harmful things aren't done to hurt women or gays etc on purpose. I see examples almost everyday.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. I think someone was hating on my work on another forum and linked to this chick saying I should watch her stuff and 'learn how to write women.' Obviously only stupid menfolk write things that might leave women vulnerable.

P.S. I'm a girl.

I'm not saying that there isn't some hinky shit going on in media but judging something/someone based on one negative thing happening to a woman is stupid. Read/watch/listen to the whole thing and make a decision as to how the characters are treated.

I'm just really super sick of being told I'm a man because I like to write about certain things. Grow up.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

http://www.youtube.com/user/feministfrequency
Thought I'd post a link for the commenters saying they don't know where this is from.


I happen to agree with most of her points. She's not saying that you can't like or enjoy a movie or tv show that follows some of the tropes. Or that there isn't anything that does female characters justice. Just that there are a pattern of stereotypes in media that can be a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, this whole SOCIAL JUSTICE FEMINISM!!!!!!!ELEVENTY11!1 thing is getting out of hand. Christ on a cracker, can't we just watch the damn movies nad television shows without getting butthurt over supposed sexism? If I get linked to another "feminist deconstruction" of media I'm going to go apeshit.

[mythopathy.livejournal.com]

I think she mostly does a decent job and I mostly agree with her reviews but with her review of True Grit it seemed to me she can be kinda narrow-minded on the concept of feminism as well or at least nitpicking. So once you find a fault with her opinions her whole demeanour feels condescending...

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you OP.

[(Anonymous)]

People who analyze the things I like are partly why I hate growing up. As a kid I was blissfully unaware of any hidden messages in the media I was consuming, whether they were intentional or not. Now that I'm older, I'm expected to not only notice them, but to also form an opinion about it.

I think it's important to discuss these matters and to be aware of social changes. It's healthy and helps us to grow and become better more rounded individuals. Except, there's a time and place. The majority of the time I don't want to talk about the hidden messages of sexism in the entertainment I consume. I'm aware that it exists and I may hold opinions about it, but I also rarely let it affect the way I go about my life because to me it's all fantasy. I agree with the OP that sometimes a storyline is just that, a storyline. But I can admit that sometimes it's not and deserves further discussion.

There's also nothing wrong with disagreeing with how someone presents their views and opinions. If the OP doesn't like her, then I don't think they should be penalized for it. Especially since they're not opposed to her ideals.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I totally disagree. I think she's got to be one of the most level-headed SJ bloggers out there. Most of the time her criticisms are constructive and in several videos, she has commented on aspects of portrayals and characterizations that she feels are done right. So yeah, several of your statements in your secret are just plain wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

You're obviously not really listening if you think she's trying to say writers/creators go into something intending to fuck women up. And that's the problem. They don't intend anything harmful but the product we're left with is a lot of times harmful and perpetuates negative gender stereotypes.

[tw-31988.livejournal.com]

She doesn't seem to do any positive criticism, i'll give you that. You'll never get to hear from her 'oh, this is an amazing thing done the right way!'.

That said, she's pretty much the only one out there who's saying 'hey, you know what?, this is sexist, this is bad for women!' in a non-radical way, she has good arguments, she never goes into ugly discussions, insults and stuff. But she could be a little more positive...

[rubykatewriting.livejournal.com]

Yes, because patriarchy and privilege isn't totally internalized on a regular basis, to the point you can't even see it anymore.

PS - You're an ASS, OP. You should probably take several re-watches of everything she remarks on and then have a long discussion with your friends/self.