[ SECRET POST #1835 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1835 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 61 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

09. http://i.imgur.com/Kf6MR.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a marked difference between "made some mistakes" and "used blatant racial/homophobic slurs toward her fans." Something she has yet to even acknowledge was wrong or say she's sorry for.

[(Anonymous)]

... did she do that? o.o

[(Anonymous)]

"Born This Way" -- ironically a song about acceptance of diversity -- referred to people being of "chola descent" or "orient-made."

"Chola" is a slur toward Latina and Hispanic women, implying sexual promiscuity, gang membership, and a violent temper. "Orient(al)" is a term that many of Asian descent find to be offensive because it originated from European imperialism, and still carries the connotation of a very European-centric view of the world ("orient" meaning "to the East of Europe").

I don't think I have to explain "drag" and "queen."

[(Anonymous)]

Wait wait wait, she used Chola in Born this Way?

...*runs off to double check lyric sites*

OH DOG DAMN IT LADY GAGA. My iPod has been clear of ethnic slurs since ever, and you freakin' ruin it! It's unlcean now.

*deletes song* And I really liked that one too. Sure, I had to ignore the Orient bit because I knew that was not PC, but going into straight out ethnic slurs is a whole other issue. Now I understand that person ranting about how Gaga doesn't get to 'reclaim' those words. For heavens sake, Chola doesn't even make sense! It isn't only ethnic, but it's sexist as well since it applies only to Hispanic women. If you needed a two-syllable word to describe a community 'latin' could have done ok, even if there is some debate about it.

Arrrrrgh ok, now I don't like Gaga even slightly. She is either clueless, or a complete sell-out.

(Also, did not know drag queen was insulting. Thought that had been reclaimed. Ah well, shows you just how out of touch I am with the LGBT community. *shrugs* 'Least I don't pretend to be the LGBT sponsor.)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that "drag queen" was an acceptable term for male crossdressers? And that female crossdressers were likewise referred to as "drag kings"?
Is "crossdresser" preferred? Or something else, if you know?

[(Anonymous)]

"Orient(al)" is a term that many of Asian descent find to be offensive because it originated from European imperialism, and still carries the connotation of a very European-centric view of the world ("orient" meaning "to the East of Europe").

This is incorrect. Orient is an old word for "East", just East. In comparison, Europe was called the Occident which meant "West". It is derived from Latin, and is much older that traditional Imperialism.

Orient is a European word, and as long as you are speaking a European language, which you are, you will be using European-centric language. Do you say "India"? Well if you do, you're using Euro-centric language because that's not it's true name, we call it Bharat. So, if you want to stop being Euro-centric, stop speaking English all together.

For the record, I agree with you on "Orient" being an outdated word for the Asian people, but don't use false information to back-up your point.

[(Anonymous)]

where and when did this happen



serious question, I don't keep up with celebrity gossip so this is news to me

[(Anonymous)]

I guess they're referring to Lady Gaga using "orient" in Born This Way. I don't know about the other thing.

As someone whose first language isn't English, I'd like to ask whether is the term only offensive in America? Or is it offensive in other (English speaking) countries, but only when applied to people?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm referring to the use of "orient" and especially "chola" in the lyrics of "Born This Way", with special mention for "drag/queen" as well.

"Chola" is used mostly used in the U.S. as a slur toward Hispanic/Latina women, but "orient" is considered offensive in many English-speaking countries, with special regard to the United States and United Kingdom because of their historical track records in East Asia.

[(Anonymous)]

It's offensive where people are offended by it.

[(Anonymous)]

Orient is a weird case. I've encountered people who are really offended by it, but then again I also know people that identify as Oriental and are actually quite miffed at the idea that some people consider it offensive.

[(Anonymous)]

Asian chick here. I don't it's offensive. It sounds weird as hell applying it to people (I think of oriental = a rug or or something), but I never considered it a slur.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

She did? What did she say?

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is so illegible in places! When the background becomes BLACK, change your font color to white or gray or SOMETHING, ffs. T_T

[lashiec.livejournal.com]

Or you only pay attention to musicians for the music, and her music lost any appeal to you?

Seriously, for me it's as simple as that. It's not the new inclusion of messages either, Dance in the Dark is my favorite song of hers and it has such a message.

[yuppu.livejournal.com]

"She never pretended to be some social justice warrior"
Actually I always got the impression that she considered herself the queen and icon of the battle for GLBT rights.
But maybe it's just that I don't particularly like her persona. Who knows.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Glad I'm not the only one who got that impression. I really started losing respect for her when she kept referring to her fans as "my gays."

[thyried.livejournal.com]

..."my gays"? Does she really say that? Granted I never paid much attention to her but if she really does... what the hell D:

[checkerblob.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I hate hate hate it so much when celebrities talk about "their" gays. Just... ugh.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna have to ask you provide a source for the "my gays" thing.

[gabrielsoboe.livejournal.com]

This irked the living hell out of me when she first came on the scene. Seriously, it's nice that she's getting into LGBT rights, but acting like you're the Mother Teresa of gay rights doesn't make you look good.

[peachxcandy.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

IA. I think a lot of ex-fans/antis/whatever don't take issues with the fact that she's a pop star and saying these things, but rather that she's all "I'm the warrior for the LGBT community" and THEN saying these things.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I hate fairweather fans in general. If you don't like her anymore, fine, but don't turn on her just to be ~edgy. Or anyone, for that matter.