[ SECRET POST #1892 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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03.
[White Collar]


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04.
[Smash]


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05.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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06.
[Revenge]


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07.
[The Hunger Games]


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08.
[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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09.
[White Collar]


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[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]


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11.
[Castleville]


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12.
[Gintama]


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13.
[The Cat Returns]


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14.
[Mythbusters]


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15.
[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]


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[Titanic]


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[All Dogs go to Heaven]


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18.
[Hatoful Boyfriend]


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[Pokemon]


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[Phantom of the Opera]


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21.
[The Middle]


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22.
[life on mars]


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23.
[Scrubs]


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24.
[A Goofy Movie]


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25.
[Nerimon/Alex Day]


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26.
[Katie McGrath]


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27.
[Chuck]


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28.
[Top Chef Season 9]


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29.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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[The Vampire Diaries]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Even if there is an outside influence, who cares so long as it makes the individual happy with their decision?

That's my point, actually. I never said that women should never do what other people suggest for them; only that before making the decision, we should simply question whether this is what we want. Going to med school because that's what will make you happy and it just happens to be the family practice as well is a perfectly valid choice. Going to med school because it's the family practice whether you'll be happy with it or not...isn't. Making a decision in a void is impossible because, as you said, no one exists in a vacuum. But putting other people's happiness ahead of your own when it comes to important life choices like careers, marriage, whether to children, etc. is selling yourself short.

You are telling women how to make their choices.

No I'm not, actually. I'm just saying women should think about these choices and the context in which they're made, and consider their own happiness before anyone else's when deciding what they want to do.

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[(Anonymous)]

I never said that women should never do what other people suggest for them; only that before making the decision, we should simply question whether this is what we want.

You are deciding how women make their choices: stop it.

But putting other people's happiness ahead of your own when it comes to important life choices like careers, marriage, whether to children, etc. is selling yourself short.

No. You do not get to make people's decisions for them like that. Sit down and shut up.

No I'm not, actually. I'm just saying women should think about these choices and the context in which they're made, and consider their own happiness before anyone else's when deciding what they want to do.

I think you are missing the irony of this statement. "I'm not telling women how to make choices, only they have to make decision the way I say they have to make them and have the same priorities as I do."

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

How is suggesting (not demanding, either, but just suggesting) that women think about their decisions and truly consider their own happiness "making decisions for them" or even "deciding how women should choose"?

Are you saying that not considering your own happiness and what you want when making a choice that directly impacts the rest of your life is a good thing?

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[(Anonymous)]

I am saying that as a human being I have the right to make my own decisions anyway I damn choose. Yes that means sometimes putting someone else's happiness before my own.

How is suggesting (not demanding, either, but just suggesting) that women think about their decisions and truly consider their own happiness "making decisions for them" or even "deciding how women should choose"?

You ain't suggesting diddly. You are insisting that's the only way to make decisions for yourself and everyone else is making bad decisions and/or only following The Man.

I [said] that before making the decision, we should simply question whether this is what we want.

I'm just saying women should think about these choices and the context in which they're made, and consider their own happiness before anyone else's when deciding what they want to do.

When I say women should question their choices, I mean all of them. Whether she's going to med school because she really wants to or it's the family practice, or if she really wants to be a housewife and not doing it to please her ultra-conservative family. Every choice should be questioned no matter what it is.

I'm not even advocating others telling women what to do; only that all women should stop for a minute and examine why they are making the choices they are and ask themselves if it's what they really want and not part of someone else's expectation.

if you don't even want to bother thinking about the choices you make and simply going with impulse.

And I'm sorry that the truth that you (nor any other woman) is as independent and free thinking as you believe is hard to face.

We aren't our own people when we're constantly bombarded with messages from society that say otherwise. As long as pressure from gender roles factor into our choices, they aren't truly ours, and we have to be aware of that.

We stop questioning everything we do when we are given the same rights and equal treatment and are free from oppressive expectations specifically tied to our gender. Until then? Yes, we examine our choices and why we're making them, and whether it's what we really want or what we think we want because that's what we've been told we're supposed to want.

I see a lot of "My way is the only way," and not a lot else.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

You ain't suggesting diddly. You are insisting that's the only way to make decisions for yourself and everyone else is making bad decisions and/or only following The Man.

If you go back and read, notice that I say "should" rather than "must." "Should" in vernacular usage implies a suggestion rather than a demand ("this is a good idea, but you're free to ignore it"). "Must" is what would've made it imperative, and I avoided that word purposely.

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[(Anonymous)]

HA!

In this case, actions speak louder than words. You've done nothing here but demean women's decisions because they don't agree with you. You are a bad feminist. You don't have to personally support every decision every woman makes, but you know what? You don't even support her ability to choose a decent decision for herself unless made by your shitty standards.

What's worse is that it's not just "you" saying it. You're acting like it's the only possible way for any valid decision to be made. The rest of us are just poor weak women who don't know how to make good decisions until you show us the light. Oh, but only women, men you won't give grief to.

Yeah, you're a misogynist in feminist's clothing.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Protip: when all you have left are personal insults and ad hominem attacks, then it's clear you've lost.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nope, she won. There was much more in that comment than "personal attacks."

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[(Anonymous)]

As I said below, by that logic "Women should stay in the kitchen" isn't misogynistic. "Should" in vernacular usage implies a suggestion rather than a demand ("this is a good idea, but you're free to ignore it"). "Must" is what would've made it imperative,.

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[(Anonymous)]

And that doesn't work because that case was never a "should." It was a "you have to or fucking else."

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[(Anonymous)]

So saying things like "women should..." can never be misogynistic?

Historically, you are 100% right; however, today there are millions of people out there talking about what women "should" do, and I can guarantee you that most of them are misogynistic.

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[(Anonymous)]

lol sockuppets don't win an argument

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[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

tbh i'm starting to think you're the "sockpuppet"

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[(Anonymous)]

Hardly. I'm just calling sockpuppet because anon comments agreeing with each other spaced only a few minutes apart just screams "sockpuppet" to me.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about you anon, but it'd be very hard for me to type out a decent reply that quickly, especially multiple times over. Besides, wouldn't someone be more likely to sock-puppet after a lull in conversation?

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[(Anonymous)]

Not really, if you type fast enough.

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[(Anonymous)]

protip: anon comments tend to come fast and hard because, as we're being anonymous, we don't get email notifications. If you don't get your comment in to another anon quickly enough, they're likely to not see it.

This is why anonclusters like this thread look like they are all by the same person. A person who really likes talking to themselves and arguing with themselves about feminism, and then calls themselves out on being sockpuppets when anons agree with each other.

Oh wait. I meant, agrees with themselves. Because I am you, too, sockpuppet!anon. We must all be the same person really.

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[(Anonymous)]

protip: anon comments tend to come fast and hard because, as we're being anonymous, we don't get email notifications. If you don't get your comment in to another anon quickly enough, they're likely to not see it.

There's this thing called the "F5" button. Perhaps you've heard of it?

And since every other anon here is agreeing with the frothing anon above, that's why I'm calling sockpuppet. A bunch of anons agreeing with themselves in barely spaced comments has all the hallmarks of sockpuppetry.

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[(Anonymous)]

Protip: When your point is "should" doesn't mean "must" saying "All women should stay in the kitchen" becomes equally valid. Does that mean it's not misogynistic either? After all, it's a suggestion not a demand.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nobody ever said "should" in that case. Believe me, it was "they fucking have to."

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[(Anonymous)]

My point was that "should" is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. While historically it was definitely a must, if someone said "they should stay in the kitchen" today, it's definitely misogynistic.

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[(Anonymous)]

And in case you failed reading comprehension, "you should make sure you're making the best decision" is a far cry from "you should be subservient to your husband." Goddamn, are thinking and self-examination really a bad thing these days?

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[(Anonymous)]

No, it's wasn't "You should be making the best decision" it was "You should be making the decision based on my method." There is an inherent flaw there where dorknessrising assumes their method is the best/only valid method for making decisions for all women everywhere.

For example: Two women have the same decision: take the higher paying job they wouldn't like as well, or take the lower paying job they would prefer. According to dorknessrising's logic, there is only one right answer, anything else is giving into societal pressures and no woman should do that and if they do, they're not their own person.

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[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

I hardly understand why this is even an argument. Yes, women should carefully consider their important life decisions. People should do that. But the idea that women can never make good, appropriate decisions because they're not full individuals because of societal gender constructions is total bullcrap. That argument is anti-feminist; it is demeaning. It doesn't sound much different than a man saying "You women don't know what you want."

And if the crux of your argument is really just "people should make thoughtful decisions," well... duh? That's so stupidly obvious I don't know why you're still going on about it.