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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html

"Talking of which... 'The funny thing about the acting business is that there are more poofs in it than you can have hot dinners thrown at you,'" he says.

"But no one is out. It's not so bad here, but in Hollywood? Jesus Christ. Why don't they just admit it? No one cares if they're gay or not. I certainly don't."

[(Anonymous)]

"In this so-called liberal industry, no one has the guts to come out because of "the box office", but someone has to be the first in the firing line."

Because there's nothing wrong with straight people telling when, how and why others should come out of the closet, and there's never any risk involved. Awesome.

[(Anonymous)]

reading comprehension fail, anon. that's not even close to what he said there.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so I can't read. But in my lacking comprehension, "Why don't they just admit it? No one cares if they're gay or not." reads as why won't gay people (poofs, sorry, that's the correct term) in Hollywood just come out of the closet, it's not like anyone cares anyway. Not me. Except that they should come out. If no one cares, why should they come out at all?

And "someone has to be the first in the firing line"? No they fucking well do not. Yes, there are some people in the media who are openly homosexual and that does not greatly affect their work, what kind of offers they get or how well they do. There are also those whose work it does affect. For whom, yeah, it means that you're not as hot in the box office. If it was all for ~art~, then it wouldn't matter, but entertainment is a business most of all, so no, I don't think that anyone should have to "be first in the firing line" and come publicly out of the closet unless that's what they personally want.

Also, even if it did not affect their work, there are plenty of gay people who are in the closet for personal reasons. Possibly their family wouldn't accept it. Perhaps they've grown up in a hostile environment. Perhaps they're just very private people. I find it very curious that he both thinks that no one will care that you're gay (I want to live in that world as well, and not have a great political candidate lose the race because he's openly homosexual and therefore clearly unsuitable for the job.) and still refers to coming out in the entertainment industry as a firing line. There's a curious dichotomy, I find.

In general, I find it very distasteful that a heterosexual person who has never had the experience of coming out of the closet, whether privately or in the public eye, feels that they have the right to comment on coming out, especially making light of it. I get that he isn't purposefully negative, but I think these comments are very ignorant.

But please do point out my failures and give me the correct reading of this, be so kind.

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately with the way society is today, someone does have "to be the first in the firing line". Is it fair? Of course not. Does everyone have the personal support system in place or the financial autonomy to actually be that first? Again, a sad no.

But just as Martin Freeman brought up with the suffrage movement, in order to enact change someone (hopefully more than a singular someone) has to "stand up and be counted".

In an ideal world (the one he is encouraging), if every closeted homosexual decided to come out all at once, the business end of Hollywood would be forced to accept them without discrimination or collapse in on itself. As it stands, whoever decides to come out is going to have potshots taken at them. The dichotomy being the difference between idealism and realism.

I'm sorry your find his views distasteful. I find them heartening, if only for the fact that I know that his views as a white heterosexual man will reach and might be able to influence a certain demographic that no other group might manage. I mean really, what preteen boy is going to listen to what their weird old babysitter says, but if 'Bilbo Baggins' agrees then it may be worth thinking over.

[cure-light.livejournal.com]

"Unfortunately with the way society is today, someone does have "to be the first in the firing line". Is it fair? Of course not. Does everyone have the personal support system in place or the financial autonomy to actually be that first? Again, a sad no."

This. In an imperfect world sometimes the best solutions are the really unfair ones. It's sad, but true.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a dumb thing to say, but I don't think it makes him a homophobe.

[(Anonymous)]

mte

[(Anonymous)]

There's also that one humorous video of him where his character keeps awkwardly denying being stuff like a pervert, a stalker, a pedophile... and a gay guy. One of those things is supposed to be like the others, I suppose.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure if serious..

It's not he wrote that sketch, and he also played a guy who was secretly in love with his best friend.

[(Anonymous)]

and benedict played a pedophile in Atonement. must mean he's one irl!!!1

[(Anonymous)]

*like

[tw-31988.livejournal.com]

oh.

[(Anonymous)]

Other charming and considerate quotes include:

""Multiculturalism hasn't and doesn't help, because rightly or wrongly it polarises people so much," he continues. "Racism is one thing - and I don't agree with that in any form - but noticing that there are differences is normal and fine and to be encouraged.

"We've reached a state now where it's, 'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"

"There is no country in the world like this. If all of a sudden all the traffic wardens in Ghana were Welsh, they'd really notice and might not love it? We give ourselves a hard time in this country in a sort of mea culpa way. But if we were that racist, people wouldn't come. Very simple.""

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""I really liked hip-hop until the gangsta rap took over. I come from a time when not every rap record was 'nigga' this and 'nigga' that; an earlier socially and morally conscious hip-hop sensibility, when it was, 'Don't call people nigga'."

"But now it's nigga, nigga, nigga, and it's not funny or interesting politically, artistically or socially. I really don't like it.""

and of course:

""Without the suffragettes a lot of women would have thought, 'Why should we have the vote?' And I think that the same argument exists today. People should stand up and be counted.""

:)

[(Anonymous)]

I wish people would stop posting those quotes out of context.

[(Anonymous)]

Context to be found in the second comment. Or here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-563570/Martin-Freeman-life-shouldnt-just-day-office.html

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

It's the Daily Mail, though; it's not like they're known for good journalism. It's a tabloid newspaper.

Not saying anything regarding Martin Freeman, but IMO things taken from the Daily Mail need to be taken with a sizable grain of salt.

[misco.livejournal.com]

WTF is this gross shit?

MF can go fuck himself.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the argument over the n-word was disapproving of it, though. As in, he doesn't think it's appropriate to use that word, considering its historical background.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that, but extremely often in rap music, it's used as a reclaimed slur, and as a white guy, it's not really his place to decide whether or not it's appropriate. (And thus suggesting it isn't is ignorant and priviledged.)

Similarly, I identify as queer or dyke and despite the historical connotations of those terms, it's okay for me to use them, because I'm a LGBTQ person reappropriating an offensive term. It is still offensive if a straight person calls me that, unless I've personally okayed it. And a straight person is not in the place to say whether or not it's appropriate for me to use those words about myself.

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

it's not really his place to decide whether or not it's appropriate

But he never said anything about it being appropriate or not. All he said was his opinion that he didn't enjoy it.

[Gangsta rap]'s not funny or interesting politically, artistically or socially. I really don't like it.

That is all personal opinion, not social critique.

I personally don't like polka. I don't find it interesting, pleasant to listen to, or socially relevant. Does that mean I think it's inappropriate? My mom's side of the family is going to have words with me soon if that was the case.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that an 'outsider' can't make claims about which words you can or cannot use for yourself. It's ok for him to dislike rap music and to dislike it for that particular reason, but he should leave it alone.

I'm not sure about this bit though:
Similarly, I identify as queer or dyke and despite the historical connotations of those terms, it's okay for me to use them, because I'm a LGBTQ person reappropriating an offensive term. It is still offensive if a straight person calls me that, unless I've personally okayed it.

I agree that no one should be calling you those things unless you're ok with it. But he wasn't 'calling' anyone the n-word. He was quoting, I suppose. I had an English lit professor who taught a class on 'Beloved'. One of the themes is slavery and the n-word is used a lot. He would quote from the text so we could discuss it. Back home in Europe, no one batted an eye. In the US when he was a guest lecturer, he had someone come and tell him this was a terrible faux pas. The only reason no students had spoken up and no one really blamed him was because they knew he was foreign. When he told us this story, we were all shocked. We knew the n-word was bad, we would never call anyone that, but it was in the text.

I think it might be something like this.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it just me or is that article completely unreadable? It's like someone sat there cutting and pasting quotes together. Not familiar with the Daily Mail to know if this is standard or unusual.

[(Anonymous)]

Its been nicknamed "The Daily Fail" for a reason.

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

The Daily Mail's a tabloid, not a legitimate newspaper.