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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-08 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #1984 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]


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(Anonymous) 2012-06-08 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're really 100% sure you want it, then good luck to you!
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[personal profile] thene 2012-06-08 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
This is one of those times when fandom is not worth ruining your life for. I mean, seriously, what is your fannish love going to do for you when you're up to your neck in debt and can't find a job?

(Anonymous) 2012-06-08 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Because the coffeeshops are just FILLED with unemployed lawyers these days . . .
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[personal profile] thene 2012-06-08 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there aren't enough jobs. And the debt levels are eyewatering.

(I've had some serious TWS for the American higher education bubble lately, what can I say.)

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
If they're not, it's only because the law school grads can't get those jobs because they're getting smacked with the overqualified problem as well as the experience paradox.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
You realize sometimes people go to school for things that they know will be hard to find work in/make a living because they're passionate about the subject. Not everyone goes to school and goes 'what will make me the most money because that's all that's important'. It's better to try and work for a job you'll love than a job you'll hate but pays the bills.
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[personal profile] thene 2012-06-09 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Most people find not spending 25 years in miserable, crippling debt while not being able to get the job they studied for pretty important.

I'm also a little sceptical of OP's level of passion for the 'subject' because what they're expressing passion for is a fandom, ie, an entertainment product designed to attract their passion. I'm not getting the vibe that they've done much research into what lawyers do day in day out, or how hard it is to get that job they're going to love even once they have that degree. They need to be talking to people who are out there trying to find those jobs right now, not playing videogames and looking longingly at university puff websites.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Honest question, not trolling: Do you pay your own bills?

I only ever hear this type of commentary anonymously or in passing, so now I'm curious about how often it's said by people who actually work the hated job just to get by, by people working on their dream job, or by people who are still studying / not working yet.
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[personal profile] thene 2012-06-09 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
mte, it's very entitled and comes with the invisible assumption that everyone can have their 'dream job' just so long as they work/study hard enough and are prepared to make a few sacrifices (do I need to sarcasm-tag this?). It's pretty much victim-blaming, in the end, saying that everyone who is working the hated job deserves it because they should have 'followed their passions' and not worried about keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table.

In any case reality doesn't work that way, mostly because there are liek 3 dream jobs and everybody is trying to get at them. There's about one new white-collar job for every two people who've graduated from college in the US in the last five years. The math just is not there for everyone to have their 'dream job', or even a job that justifies the amount they spent to get a college degree, or even a job.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
And on top of that, I also don't like the insinuation that there aren't people who actually enjoy the "menial jobs". There are people who like office jobs, cleaning, retail, factories, supervision, managing, etc., but unfortunately there are more of those available than there are people who like them.

But yes, the few times I've heard it said by someone I know, it was in school, by people who definitely hadn't started working yet.

There is no shame in contributing to society and making money from it, even if they're not activities you enjoy. There are so many things that need to be done for the world as we know it to function.

It also gives this idea that is either college or nothing, as if there aren't other cool jobs besides the ones that a diploma (should, but doesn't really) "guarantees".

What about technical schools? What about being self-employed, what about teaching, what about being a social worker, what about, well, everything else? (sorry, I'm not at top mental shape right now, those were off the top of my head)

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
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Except those people are also usually told by everyone - starting with their family - that they can "do so much better than those types of jobs" and "why would you settle for that when you can be anything else!"

Which is how you end up with college graduates loaded with debt after going to the most expensiveness school there is because their parents insisted they HAD TO DO BETTER than a menial job... but there are no jobs because everyone else did the same thing.

Meanwhile the world falls apart because no one wants their kids to have "menial jobs" ...

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[personal profile] thene 2012-06-09 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I do think this is a little off-track at this point as anon is specifically talking about 'following your passion' versus 'making money', but, I agree completely.

It's not even about the job or the money, with some wide-eyed passion-followers, it's about the status. They can't believe that anyone would be content with their $60k store manager job when they could be earning $30k at a degree-required desk job instead, or earning $60k as a lawyer while nursing $150k of tuition debt. Most adult Americans (more than 70%) do not have a college degree. Some of them are wealthy and many of them are happy. Saying that they aren't doing anything worth your consideration gets extremely classist extremely fast.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
No entitled is thinking that because massive debt scares you from following your dreams it should and will scare others.

Stop projecting.

Also a lot of people don't go to work in the fields they studied and you know what that's okay.

Or would you rather the OP go to school for something they hate because it promises a job at the end? Because oh no we can't have risk.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
I pay all my own bills. I barely scrap by but I love what I do. And I'm sorry but fuck anyone telling someone not to follow their dreams. IF your too afraid of following your then that's your problem.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
anon, I did not mean that as an attack :( I was genuinely curious

(Anonymous) 2012-06-08 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Defending innocent people is never not a worthwhile dream, OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Good luck, and make sure you're actually interested in the stuff! Because jesus fuck, do I regret studying law. I'm in my second year, I developed severe depression and I realised I'll never be a lawyer because I have no social skills, which my parents kindly remind me of constantly.

I wish I could travel back in time and tell myself to go study something else. I have no motivation to continue whatsoever, but I can't quit.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.lawyerswithdepression.com/law-school-depression/ Please don't blame yourself, anon.

not anon your replied to

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
That is very interesting and hopefully of help to the anon you replied to.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, who knows. Social skills do vary innately from person to person, but they're also a thing that can and needs to be practiced to develop them and keep them in shape, so maybe keeping at it might help you get better in the social aspect! You never know.
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[personal profile] nobara 2012-06-09 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of the lawyers I know (a considerable amount!) have little to no social skills, anon, so don't worry that being anxious or awkward will make you a bad lawyer! Most of what lawyers do is just reviewing documents and occasionally writing up stuff. Only like 15% of lawyers are trial lawyers who actually have to go to court (fair warning: I just made that number up, but seriously, you can be a successful lawyer without ever once setting foot in a courtroom).

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
If you're passionate about the law and are going into it with your eyes open (i.e. you understand the realities of the field and the job market and are not one of those idiots who think they'll walk out of law school into a 100 thousand dollar a year job) then go for it and don't let the naysayers stop you.
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[identity profile] murderershair.livejournal.com 2012-06-09 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
I believe in you, anon!

(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
Here's the tip someone gave me way back when, in order to make sure I was making the right choice:

Go to your local university, go to the library and ask the librarian for a first year textbook in the subject you wish to study. if you like it? Go for it!

Personally, my librarian gave me a legal methodology book (most boring subject ever. I think the only thing worse was legal theory in 3rd year) and I still got hooked and never regretted the choice.

Also, to everyone upthread who thinks that you can only be a lawyer like you see on TV or else you wasted law school: you're full of crap. There are plenty of other options that are just as valid, it all depends on where your interests lie.

I never plan on seeing the inside of a courtroom, for one, and it never posed me any problems.

To the OP: if you are worried about debt, maybe look into going to law school in another country? If you're interested in international law, for example, it's probably fairly doable. I hear the Netherlands have really good programs in English and you get to live within a train ride of all the cool international courts.