[ SECRET POST #1990 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1990 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Calvin and Hobbes]


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03.
[Golden Sun]


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04.
[Downton Abbey]


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05.
[Beyond: Two Souls]


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[Veep]


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[John Cooper Clarke]


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08.
[Kristen Stewart]


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[A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones]


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10.
[The Social Network]


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11.
[Ray Bradbury]


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[Protomen]


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[Hamish & Andy]


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[Falling Skies]


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15.
[Hetalia]


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16.
[Legend of Korra]


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[Dragon Age: Origins]


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[Minecraft]


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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable]


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[Avengers]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 025 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[honk]

your ancestry is irish so it's in your blood, but you're not culturally irish if you don't actually practice irish culture. calling yourself irish has one (or both) of these meanings so you're not wrong in identifying as irish. there's a difference between what you ARE and what you actively practice, but both are fine.

for instance i'm australian, i was born and raised in queensland. i moved to the states several years ago but when people as i still call myself australian even though i don't live there anymore. if people probe me further i'll tell them i'm british because my ancestors were mostly british, therefore i have british blood. i'm not culturally british but that doesn't negate my ancestry.

for people claiming this is an american thing - people do this everywhere, especially if they hold an interest in their lineage. it's common in australia too. as the united states has people of all ancestries and cultures, many prefer to identify with their grandparents' or great-grandparents' identities because it's close in the bloodline. they have every right to do this whether you like it or not. it's not appropriation, it's an actual part of them, even if they aren't culturally a part of the area they're identifying with.

[(Anonymous)]

people everywhere do not do this. i am trying not to be skeeved at you personally because i realise it's normal for your culture, but do you realise how incredibly fucking skeevy it is for some of us to conceive of 'in your blood' as something real and concrete like you are.

[honk]

ok but it is though, i don't really know how else to explain that ancestry is a part of somebody genetically except to just tell it like it is. and what do you know of "my culture" like thanks for the thinly veiled insult but this has nothing to do with ~skeeving you out, nobody is aiming to personally offend you when they justify their identities.

[(Anonymous)]

what the fuck, i said your culture because i didn't think your were trying to present it as objective fact that every 'drop' of a person's ~bloodline~ must mean something real for who they are
this is frankly disgusting and it's obvious you have no fucking clue of any of the historical context that makes it so, but i wish then you would not run your mouth off like you do.

[honk]

ok, what? now you're just making shit up. every drop doesn't HAVE to mean something, but somebody's ancestry comprises them as a genetic person. like that is objective, yes, but whether or not someone's ancestry has any meaning to them personally is a choice. like i don't go around telling everyone a lot of my ancestors were criminals, it's not something i have to be proud of for hold as important to me.

all i'm saying is that if somebody's ancestrally like, prussian, then they're entitled to letting people know that's part of them. i'm saying that identity isn't all about culture, and how much you practice it.

also your defense doesn't explain why you think you know anything about my culture lol

[(Anonymous)]

a tendency towards diabetes or green eyes is genetic. cultural identity is not encoded in the dna like that. listen to what the fuck you're saying and notice how significant parts of it are what people say to justify genocides.

[honk]

like i told someone else:
identities like "german" and "irish" are less nationalities and more ethnicities, which can be carried genetically through heritage. if people are identifying with nationalities then i would agree that they have no real reason to be if they never lived there, but ethnically i definitely understand and support.

i am not arguing culture or nationality specifically. i am arguing that ethnicity can be passed through blood, so if somebody identifies as german because they are actually part german then good for them. they don't have to be actually from germany to be german, this is what you're not getting.

"i don't know how to argue properly so i'm going to accuse you of justifying genocide"

[(Anonymous)]

ethnicity, nationality, and culture, are all social constructs. i know that talking of 'through blood' your way is a common and innocuous bit of rhetoric in many cultures, but you have to realise it is massively loaded and revolting in lots of other societies and therefore it is kind of horrifying when you try to act like it is world-wide objectively real.

[honk]

lmao you have NO idea what you're talking about. ethnicity is just as important to genes as race is. it's not just a "social construct," ethnicity is really important to take into consideration re: genetic disorders and diseases. christ.

you keep saying you "know" about my ~ways and my ~culture but you really don't know jack shit actually

[(Anonymous)]

spoiler: race is also a social construct

and since you clearly don't know fuck about statistics either, ethnicity or race can be used as a shorthand way to help describe generalisations about disease prevalence in populations - it doesn't say anything on the level of individuals. or do you also think like race determines people's IQ.

[honk]

race/ethnicity are social and biological, stop cherry picking lsakfhsl;kjfhs i cannot handle your trolling go away

also: "it doesn't say anything on the level of individuals"
yes it does

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Pssst, you're feeding the troll.

[fanaberia]

Er ... anon here is right, I believe what you are talking about is blood type (+/-) and genes. Nationality, ethnicity and race are social constructs, moreover identifying with a country trend begun in 18th century after French revolution. Beforehand, only upper classes had a semi-national identity, it hit other with major social revolutions.

[honk]

i'm not talking about blood type LMAO god

ethnicity and race are primarily social constructs yeah but both also have biological parameters; if you consider ethnicity the shared heritage of your ancestors than referring to yourself as - for instance - german (in an ethnic sense) is still correct

the major discrepancy in this thread is between referring to labels like irish and german as nationalities and referring to them as ethnicities that are shared through ancestry

[(Anonymous)]

NO, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Due to centuries upon centuries of endogamy, many long-standing countries contain one or more closely related peoples.

If you want to call it revolting, fine, but realize that we are speaking in English and this is a fairly well understood construct in the major dialects of that language. Irish, German, Polish, etc., are used to mean "descended from" as well as "citizen of X country". It is not at all uncommon for someone with a distinctly ethnic surname to be asked if they are X. The OP seems to think that this is something created by Hetalia fandom when it is actually a common English/British/Australian/others usage.

[fuchsiascreams]

Yeah, I agree with this.

[diet_poison]

no one was saying that cultural identity is in DNA though. just that genetics are in DNA. which includes the genes of your ancestors

[kallanda_lee]

Well, but "in the blood" is actually how some countries determine nationality/descendance.

[(Anonymous)]

How DARE they not conform to my country's culture!

[kallanda_lee]

You don't have to conform to anything, but saying it's ~skeevy~ makes you just as ignorant as those you pretend to educate.

Personally I find it a strange concept that the soil that you happen to be born on should somehow determine your identity. But hey, I accept the fact that a bit part of the world considers place of birth to correlate with nationality, and I don't go around calling the practice skeevy.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude I was with you.

[kallanda_lee]

*facepalm* . I'm sorry, I missed your sarcasm there. *Feels stupid now*

[cashay]

I have to disagree with the whole "It's in your blood thing" because honestly it isn't. You might be related to someone from country xy but that doesn't mean you're from there.

Of course it's different if say your grandparents/parents are from xy and you grew up learning both cultures but it's not in your blood. Just cause you share some genes with someone from somewhere doesn't mean you are from the same country.

Also what if someone was say French but lived a considerable time in Spain, then came back to France and had children. Can those children claim spanish heritage? Since after all their mother lived in that country and absorbed big parts of their culture.

On another note I don't see what exactly makes you "culturally irish" I mean a person who doesn't doesn't take part in any irish tradition but grew up and lived in ireland all his life is still Irish right?

I really hope I'm not offending you here, I know this is probably a touchy topic and there are a lot of personal feelings involved. My nearly complete lack of identifying with my own country probably doesn't help much in understanding other people in this aspect^^

[honk]

not offended, just still in disagreement with you. identities like "german" and "irish" are less nationalities and more ethnicities, which can be carried genetically through heritage. if people are identifying with nationalities then i would agree that they have no real reason to be if they never lived there, but ethnically i definitely understand and support.

so in your french-spanish scenario, the kids can't call themselves spanish because they're not genetically spanish and they can't claim nationality to spain either. if the french parents were ethnically spanish then their kids are by default part spanish too.

[(Anonymous)]

That reminds me of something of how I think of myself.

I've lived in Queensland for close on 14 years now, but I still consider myself a NSW ex-pat a lot of the time.