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fandomsecrets2012-07-02 06:36 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-02 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)not that there's anything wrong with her being a lesbian, and she very well could be. (i'd actually love it if she was.) it just kind of made me rage a bit that defying traditional gender roles/no romance storyline = AUTOMATIC LESBIAN. because NO STRAIGHT/BI GIRLS EVER don't fit the typical roles or have low interest in romance.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-02 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)i particularly enjoy this part: Nothing in the story implies that she’s attracted to other women
the author said that, then went on to speculate about her sexuality and write up a whole list of reasons why she could be gay. thanks, author!
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Let’s be clear: Merida isn’t an overtly lesbian character. Nothing in the story implies that she’s attracted to other women (or men either, but more on that in a second). She doesn’t completely swear off the idea of marriage to a man, and she never hints that she might have a hidden sexual identity. And neither Pixar, which created her, or Disney, which is distributing the film, has made any official attempt to tell the gay community that Merida might be one of them; we definitely won’t be seeing any giant, inflatable Scottish princesses hovering over floats at today’s Pride parades.
Aaaand that's where I stopped reading.
Protip: When writing an article intended to promote a hypothesis, do not begin said article by explaining that there is not one single shred of evidence that anything you are about to say is grounded in reality.
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That and people complaining about how the male characters were plot devices. AHAHAHA. Let me play you the world's smallest violin. Because seriously, women are often plot devices in movies. So if the men were plot devices in this one movie, I AM TOTALLY OK WITH THAT.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-02 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)oh lord, the good old BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ?! argument. female love interests are used as plot devices so often that i barely even notice it anymore, just roll my eyes and cringe when it's particularly heavy-handed.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 07:43 am (UTC)(link)Only issue is, Jeff's been dating Samuel L. Jackson for a year now, and they're so in love it appears nothing can break them up.
It's Jeff and Samuel's one year anniversary, and Jeff's present for Samuel is to fulfill a fantasy of his. Samuel and Jeff have only ever had very tender and loving sex, but once Samuel bashfully told Jeff of a fantasy he has where Jeff is tied up and blindfolded, legs spread, just there for him to use and pleasure. Samuel feels horrible for the fantasy, but on their anniversary Jeff ties himself to his bed, blindfolded (he can have help with this, maybe Will Smith or Sam Neill?) and pre-prepped, ready to be used.
However, Samuel's running late to get home from work, and Benji's, well, running early. Benji can't find Jeff so he looks in Jeff's room, finding him tied up and hard as hell. Jeff hears footsteps and begs 'Samuel' to use him.
Benji does, hard, in his ass and his mouth, keeping silent. He believes that Jeff will fall for him again when he realizes how well Benji can pleasure him. Benji gets annoyed every time Jeff says Samuel's name, and fucks him harder.
After they've both cum Jeff shakes off his blindfold, smiling at 'Samuel', before seeing who it actually was and screaming. He's still tied up, but he yells that he never wants to see Benji again, feeling disgusted.
Benjamin Bratt leaves, angry and confused as to why it didn't work.
Samuel comes home and unties Jeff Goldblum, and holds him while he cries about everything that happened.
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http://biohazardgirl.tumblr.com/post/25986155253/lemyngue-schediaphile-colour-my-world
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-02 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)also, i adore this part:
You didn’t go into the movie and come out and say, “I think Merida is a lesbian because it showed her enjoying other women in a sexual and romantic way.” No. You came out of the movie and said. “There’s something different about that Merida character. Something outside the ‘norm’ ... Merida must be a lesbian, because everything relating to women must come back to whether or not they might have sex with me or another man."
it basically articulated the thing that really bothered me about this whole article, which i was having trouble putting into words. thank you for being a logical person.
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The weird thing is if the roles were reversed, and it was about a guy who turned down the prospect of an arranged marriage to a princess and went off to have an awesome adventure instead, no one would say a damn thing if he didn't find a woman to get married to at the end of the film.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-02 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)ia so much to your last paragraph. because women aren't the most important thing to men, but men are OBVIOUSLY the most important thing to women. /sarcastic eyeroll; a woman's life is OBVIOUSLY not complete unless she finds a man (or doesn't because she likes girls instead) according to dumb movie viewers.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 12:05 am (UTC)(link)So yeah, side-eyeing a lot of people in that thread. Especially when a lot of people have an uproar about this but "speculate" Justine Beiber's sexuality all the time.
Furthermore, coming from someone who is gay (and more feminine) herself, I'd rather have kids exposed to a ambiguous lesbian character who fits the "butch stereotypes" than have no lesbians in media for kids at all. Kids don't think about the stereotypes when they're little; they're just happy with someone they can relate to. Also, it's not as if there aren't lesbians who are more "butch" out there. They exist too, and really aren't represented as much as lipstick lesbians are.
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(fwiw I have not seen it yet so if something makes it really likely she is in fact het ignore this)
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 12:19 am (UTC)(link)(nope, there's nothing that marks her out as straight so your comment is valid.)
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I mean, speaking as a pan person, I'm pretty annoyed when "does not follow traditional gender roles = AUTOMATIC LESBIAN", because that's not the case for everyone and I really think it's harmful to actual GBL people. I know SO many lesbians who get coded as straight because their clothing choices and other things that are obvious fall in line with common feminine gender roles. (I deal with this myself to some degree because I have a male-bodied partner and like pretty skirts and stuff -- although part of that is simply that I have trouble finding pants that don't have stupidly tight waistbands, even the elastic ones, and that triggers the pain in my lower spine. I mean, granted, the moment I mention my girlfriend or ex-girlfriends, people get the message, but it doesn't help for people who don't have a chance to interact with me in depth.)
But I'm not really fond of stereotypes in general, and ideally I would love to see all types of women shown. There is a real problem with women in fiction being depicted as the more "masculine" female character being portrayed as "this is the way strong women should be" to the detriment of women who don't fall into that category, who often get derided for their femininity by the lead female character. It's like, if you're not "one of the boys", you don't count. (This is more of a problem in adult fiction, I think; it's part of why I have been reading YA a lot, because there seems to be more variance in female characters, although it still is a problem there. Just not quite prevalent to the point that I can guess within a couple pages that there is going to be animosity between the female characters.)
I am really pissed off at the straight women who are acting like the thought of people assuming they might be a lesbian is the most offensive thing evar. I'm not going to say I've never seen that assumption made, but it's nowhere near as common as they seem to think they are. And even if someone DID make that assumption, GET OVER IT. Argh.
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And I think the relative scarcity of female character-focused movies like this means that they have a lot of expectation on them to be all things to all viewers - like, we really need adventurous, tough, go-getting heroic women, so a protagonist needs to be that. And yet, we also need to affirm that being a "girlie" girl has positive qualities, so a nurturing/tender/empathic character is also needed. And we need to both love and hate any female character who is sharp-tongued and reckless with others' emotions - all at the same time. It's like whenever a female-centric story comes along we're all crossing our fingers for different outcomes and get really invested in them because we're worried it'll be a while before another film so thoroughly showcases a female character without shoehorning men in...
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I can kinda sorta see the point some of them are trying to make, that stereotyping of any kind is damaging. They were trying to make a point that not all "tomboys" grow up to be lesbians. But it comes across as them saying "Gross! I'm not a lesbian." They tried to mean well, but really stuck their foot in their mouth.
But I also noticed that some of them are the ones who "OMG SQUEE" at slash or gay men. Like it's okay to say "Hey my OTP are men, so that means I'm not a homophobe." But my thoughts on some of the slash attitude should be a secret for another day.
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