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⌈ Secret Post #2104 ⌋

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So wait, without men the world goes to hell? This picture is confusing.

Um, yeah? A world where half the population is suddenly dead is going to be pretty hellish.

Let alone the fact there are a lot of fields & skills pretty necessary to running our countries/societies that not very many women are in or have the experience/training for.

~~If this ends up badly paraphrased as me believing only the mighty peen can do anything on the FHW blog I will not actually be surprised.~~

OK, I'll bite: Which skills/fields are you referring to? (It's late and I'm tired and my brain isn't working to try and think up some of my own.) I'm genuinely curious.

I don't know? Construction, trucking, oil rigging, engineering, aeronautics, multiple science fields, etc., etc. The list of fields that don't have a strong enough presence of women to be sustained in the event of all men suddenly dying is pretty big.

And in any case it's almost half the population. Male or female, the disappearance of that many workers would severely inhibit us logistically even if we didn't have to clean up the mess and the survivors didn't experience emotional trauma at suddenly losing a massive portion of their loved ones.

People would learn it again pretty quickly IMO. Men didn't spring out of their mother's wombs knowing how to build things way back in ancient times, they had to learn how to. Women could learn how to, too. Not to mention that knowledge of certain subjects wouldn't necessarily disappear with men--we live in a society that collects knowledge both in the internet and in books. And there are still SOME women with the skill sets you mentioned, so they could teach other women.

Okay? Not saying that isn't true. But it would be pretty hellish for a while there.

I'm not claiming that the knowledge would disappear. Just that the skilled workers would. Even with textual information experience counts for a lot.

The level of organization and time required to find and train enough women to return society back to similar standards we lived at pre-XYapocalypse would be pretty significant.

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I think a scenario where most (but not all, because that would make it next to impossible to produce any future generations) women died would be an equally interesting thought experiment.

If that happened, I think most health care systems would utterly collapse and factory production would drop dramatically for lack of workers.

Oh I agree. Women make up a significant amount of our workers. Not just in factories. The health care system would obviously be the biggest hit just considering nurses (who come in a wide array of specialties) and home care administrators. But we're also talking doctors, technicians, pharmacists, health care industry workers, etc.

I think the childcare field is made up of something like 90% female workers. Education would take a pretty hard hit.

Pretty sure more than half of households are maintained or contributed to more by women than their male partner. Not to mention the influx of orphans from single-mother homes would be pretty overwhelming. Social services seems to have a significant number of women so that would be a double whammy.

Retail, hospitality, customer service, office workers etc. have always had pretty significant female presence.

Depends on how the half is gone. Did they all die at once so it's sudden and shocking and dead bodies everywhere? Or was it a slow thing that crept up on people until suddenly there were no men, but enough time to kind of accumulate. It'll be awful to loose one half of the population but I don't see why that has to end up in things falling apart into a post apocalypse situation. Women are capable of learning and stepping up.

And yeah there are a lot of fields that are dominated by men, but part of that is not that women aren't interested or trained or capable but that men won't allow them to promote.

I agree with your comment? Somewhat. Losing half of our population over time or not would be pretty drastic and would have a severely negative impact on society whether or not it happened over time or immediately.

Any large disaster that would disrupt the status quo like the one we're discussing would lead to different factions struggling for power which would impeded and delay progress.

The men being lost are people's children and loved ones. Some people respond well to adversity like that and others don't. So our population is halved, a portion of the survivors are skilled in areas we need and therefore can't pick up a new trade, another portion are physically or emotionally disabled or too young or elderly, it leaves us with very few women who could actually suddenly devote their lives to learning a new trade.

I'm sure there's a period of time that it could happen over that might allow us to transition with minimal or no ill effects. Perhaps instead of the men dying out humanity just stops have male children? I can see how that might work.

The thing is, even the people who were disabled would probably have to work somehow. It wouldn't just be male dominated fields that would be effected - half of most of the work force [in some places even more than that] would be gone. That also means that half of farmers [if not more] would be gone which would directly impact food production, and not in good ways, along with various other fields that would have a direct, negative impact. Everyone would probably have to pitch in somehow because of that - and, as far as the skilled women not being able to stop and train...bringing apprenticeship back to a larger degree could help take the load off since people would be learning on the job - and some jobs actually still do that in order to get trained. [Plumbing, for example, is one of the fields it's still used in.] It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a way to get enough breathing room to properly train people.

Also, if it were a sudden thing, it probably wouldn't just be governments and borders that would get restructured - chances are society as a whole would end up completely changing, and it would be interesting to see what it ended up changing to, I think.

I think maybe you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying society would grind to a halt forever and ever. Just that there would be a period in time that would be pretty grim. And recovery from the direct effects of losing all the men would be impeded by the effects of that period of adjustment. We wouldn't be starting from the level of progress we have today, we'd be starting several steps behind and it would take us time to catch up.

If all men died tomorrow it would not be possible for women to step into the vacated rolls in less than a month and because of that thing would be pretty hard in most places. Even places where women were able to quickly get a good handle on everything there would be an adjustment in the quality of living at least temporarily.

And all of this speculation is happening without regard to the collateral damage (bodies of the infected, downed flights, car accidents, etc.), the emotional trauma, the inevitable infighting with factions struggling for power.

And, yes, I absolutely agree surprising and dramatic changes would occur on social and personal levels as well.

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This is from Y: tLM, and not exactly. This is basically a woman cleaning dead bodies of men from the street. The world doesn't go to hell but there are some pretty big changes. Think of the many places men hold over women- suddenly, countries who had very few female members at the ruling house become much less stables. Countries with small female precentage in the workforce do fall apart. Countries with few females in the military become very weak. Etc...

But why does the author decide that these things would become weak and fall apart rather than women stepping up to fill the gaps and staying strong?

I've never read the thing everyone's talking about, but I'm going to come argue about this anyway. So!

I'm sure the women would step up and fill the gaps, because humans are surprisingly resilient and it's not like they're incapable of doing so. I'm confident those skill disparities mentioned above would be dealt with. The problem is that in the meantime, there are gaps, because people generally can't take up new roles instantaneously.

But really there would be a period of total chaos if any 50% of the population keeled over.

Because it makes sense? People can't just become trained soldiers and politicians overnight. Women will fill those jobs, eventually, but it will take time. Think, for example, of North and South Korea- do you imagine that if all the men were to die that would mean world peace? Nope, those will still be enemy countries, but the one with more trained women will suddenly have the upper hand.

Well, that's what does happen. Eventually. But in Y: the Last Man, at least, all men die instantaneously. So on top of losing a good portion of the experienced workforce, all women everywhere also out of nowhere lose their fathers, brothers, sons, friends, and so on. So it takes a while for people to come out of their shock, and in the meantime, things like powerplants go down,and planes crash, not to mention the 3 billion bodies lying in the streets for however long it takes for people to reorganize and deal with it. A lot of the comic actually does deal with how different groups of women and different governments get back to functioning and moving on. But when half of the world dies all of a sudden? yeah, there's gonna be chaos and things falling apart for a while.

Also, at the start it wasn't completely apparent that it was only men dying. All the surviving women first had to wonder if the plague was going to hit them too or not.

But yeah, the world of women pulls together eventually. It's a realistic touch that grief has as much of an impact (like what's shown in Australia) as it does.

*insert Rosie the Riveter .jpg here*

The comic is about exactly that - things briefly fall apart (because half the population suddenly died and the streets are filled with bodies) then everyone who's left steps up and takes over. Some places - women's prisons, Congress, farms, medical services - did pretty well, others - power plants, oil refineries, some countries' armed forces - didn't.

Oh hey, there's a neat thought. All of the men suddenly die, and now only those nations that allow women into the military in large numbers, and in combat positions, have a shot at defending themselves.

Suddenly Israel's position in the Middle East doesn't seem so precarious anymore.

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I don't understand what you and people like you are trying to argue. You're getting hung up on the "only women are left" thing.

Things would go to hell if half the world suddenly died. Doesn't matter if it's all the men who died, or all the women who died, or a mixture of both. A disaster of that magnitude would, by its very nature, cause chaos. Look what happens when minor natural disasters occur. Look what happens when social unrest hits a tipping point. There's rioting and looting and something akin to anarchy. You think that, at a bare minimum, that kind of shit wouldn't happen if a fuck-ton of people just suddenly dropped dead? Eventually everyone calms down, sure, but then you've got to pick up the pieces, and that takes time.

Acknowledging that cold reality does not mean that women can't handle themselves.

also to give that picture a bit more context, it's from a point in y's storyline when the gendercide just happened like a month or so ago (that character's job is collecting all of the unattended dead bodies lying around)

as time passes in the comic things settle down quite a bit (consider the difference between the later stories in san francisco or japan with the earlier ones in DC or boston, right in the immediate aftermath of half of everyone on earth dying)

Considering that all of the men dropped dead at once, as well as all of the women that were doing things like riding in planes or trains piloted by men, driving next to cars driven by men, somehow in the care of men, or living next to power plants run by men, yes, yes the world did go to hell.

It's a pretty cool comic series.

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