[ SECRET POST #2120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2120 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/whY93.png

[elephantinegrace]

I love how social justice has gone from fighting actual social problems like sexism and homophobia to fighting made-up issues we think the guy on the internet has when he's being a dick.

[(Anonymous)]

I love how you think social justice on the internet has ever been about fighting actual social problems.

[(Anonymous)]

What really irritats me is when the same group will ignore actual injustice. In the same comm where people got mad if you made an "ableist" comment even when it wasn't went on about how deaf people are scary. So it's okay to be ableist when it comes to some things?

[(Anonymous)]

Not only that, they are getting to the point where they themselves, are becoming a form of hate group.

Also they are beginning to so some real damage to the causes that they claim to support. If a person has a genuine question about race, gender, or sexuality issues and the first thing they hear is "Die you cracker cissie scumbag!", followed with a dogpile and 'calling out' over some unknown infraction. Then we really aren't going to get anywhere, things will only get worse as more people are tuned away.

As a black man, who has been called a white man, like it's an insult, this isn't what I want...I don't know if it's what anyone wants.

It's getting scary out there, really scary.

I'll just...leave this here...

[(Anonymous)]

http://fuckyeahsocialjusticesally.tumblr.com/

Kinda sums it all up, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I find that SJ and AntiSJ on the internet have started creeping toward really messed up places. I've seen those sentiments of 'oh no I'm being oppressed because something not oppressive' and AntiSJ people claiming that people complaining are claiming oppression. It's a sad sorry state :(

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, both sides are getting more and more extreme.

Where have all the rational minded people gone? :/

[visp]

Why do I have a feeling that your "non-majority fandom opinion" is something less like "I ship X/Y instead of Y/Z" and more like "I think that when X raped/murdered/did-something-else-unacceptable that it was ok because s/he's really just a woobie and it's not his/her fault and WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING ME?"

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen people in fandom turn into batshit SJWs over shipping, though.

[sockpants]

I'm probably going to get some shit for this, but in some places (*coughTUMBLRcough*), fandom social justice is starting to look more and more like 1984. There's this weird sort of doublethink going on- if you hit enough supposedly "oppressed" check-boxes, you can literally say 2+2 = 5 and goddammit, everyone will jump to defend you. But if someone from that same group pipes up and says "uh, actually, it equals four," then they get shouted down and in some cases, IP addresses posted/SJWs will try to get them fired from their IRL jobs.

I dunno. It's just been on my mind recently since I heard about some guy who ran afoul of some SJWs in the Supernatural (I think) fandom, and they tried to get him fired from his job after they tracked down his identity.

I mean, I'm all for social justice. But this isn't social justice. It's like... reverse Rush Limbaugh or something.

[(Anonymous)]

More like reverse Scientology, what with the trying-to-ruin-your-life-for-disagreeing-with-the-Collective angle.

anon from above

[(Anonymous)]

Eeeeeeee, you mean they actually HAVE started a Ministry of Peace?

SOsosososo happy I dropped the one fandom I was in RN.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I'm all for social justice. But this isn't social justice. It's like... reverse Rush Limbaugh or something.

Thank you.

[harp]

in some places (*coughTUMBLRcough*), fandom social justice is starting to look more and more like 1984.

That and McCarthyism. J'accuse.

It's like... reverse Rush Limbaugh or something.
That's exactly how I word it every time. The end goal is supposedly "equality and understanding"? I keep asking how we're going to get there with the tactic "agree with me that you're a bad person". I mean, half the time when some radical is raising awareness, it's in the form of "you have X-privilege and you need to recognize that". After that, what do they want? I have my hearing, for example. I'm very grateful that I do. I know some people don't, and that they need accommodations, and they should have them. What do you want after that? The answer seems to be "I just want you to feel bad for having what you have".

I don't think the radical internet activists know what they want or how to get it, or even how to make a real positive difference. I think they know it, and that's why they dogpile people for innocent mistakes when simply pointing out an error and then forgiving works nine out of ten times. Most of all, they don't seem to realize that people arguing back is usually because the person does feel bad about the mistake and is trying to say "I'm not a bad person".

[(Anonymous)]

But if someone from that same group pipes up and says "uh, actually, it equals four," then they get shouted down and in some cases, IP addresses posted/SJWs will try to get them fired from their IRL jobs.

That's really scary, that's not...Social Justice.

I can't believe people are really doing this now, this isn't going to help anything.

[brightblueink]

Man, I've whined about my favorite characters and pairings getting ignored before, but fans using the terms "oppressed" and "triggered" for it makes me want to punch someone.

[sockpants]

Another term they like to abuse is "gaslighting." Gaslighting is an extremely complicated form of psychological abuse where there abuser makes the victim doubt their own sanity to the point where they can't tell fiction from reality anymore. SJWs seem to use it to mean "someone disagreed with me on the Internet."

Not too long ago I read a post that basically compared SJW "triggering" to actual triggering. The scenario the writer gave was that you have two people watching a war movie. One is a Vietnam veteran, the other one is your typical SJW. There comes a battle scene, and both of the people watching the movie are triggered. The Vietnam veteran was triggered by the violent depiction of the battle into thinking he was back in the war. The SJW's complaint? A character in the movie used the word "bitch."

It's a simplistic reduction, and ignores that you don't have to be a war veteran to have PTSD, but I get the feeling that it's accurate a great deal more often than the people perpetrating the fallacy would like to admit.

[countess_k]

At the risk of getting shit for my different opinion I must say maybe you're confusing figurative speech with real claims of oppression. Like I remember this incident when someone in the HP fandom compared the Harry/Hermione fans to oppressed slaves in the South and made an icon with a picture of Harriet Tubman and it was all in good humor only a fan who shall not be named took it seriously and kept harassing the other person for being insensitive.

Aside from metaphors and jokes, in the small sphere of the fandom things could "feel" similar to the bigger issues in the bigger world. What that means is that while being shunned for liking an unpopular character is no where the same as real oppression it could feel that way (be the equivalent of it) in the made up, tiny universe of fandom, and perhaps that's what those people are talking about.

[harp]

I vaguely remember that Harry Potter incident, too. If it's the same one I'm remembering, the person turned out to be a troll who made a "militant H/G shipper" livejournal, too, and was planning on building both journals and going to war, but came clean before that could happen.

That incident made me realize just how bad the HP fandom climatehad gotten because so many people believed the HHR journal and were reporting it all over while the same people instantly called troll on the H/G journal, which was claiming that Ginny was the property of her brothers and would be turned over to be Harry's property. It was really telling about how everyone was ready to believe the worst examples about the "other side" (and use them as excuses for being nasty to all shippers) while not believing that their shippers could be capable of outrageous theories or behavior. The fandom was just a warzone.

[harp]

Does anyone else feel like the radical SJW internet movement has turned the word "privilege" into a slur? (Maybe "slur" isn't the most accurate term for it, but you know what I mean, right?)

[llei]

This one breaks my heart. 'Privilege' is such a useful concept. It helped me think through so many situations where previously I would have thought 'this person is a dick'. I've thought students the concept and seen them come into their own as informed critical thinkers about the nuances of power.

Nowadays? I am incredibly reluctant to use it in internet discussions, even when I have the citations and research in place to back it up. It's become watered down to the point of caricature and unfortunately in this particular case the fault lies with a trigger-happy* SJW culture that's poisoned the well.

(*No pun originally intended, but kept for amusement value.)

[la_petite_singe]

Why do I have a nasty feeling this is Sherlock-related? I totally agree that people abuse/misuse the word "triggering" to an appalling degree, however. At Fandom March Madness especially; that was ridiculous. If I wasn't such a fandom lurker, I could have made this secret. (Well, not lurker. Who's the person who hangs out by the punchbowl on the side of the party making snarky comments and eating all the chips? That's me.)

[nyxelestia]

And this is pretty much the reason I started sj_awareness. :)

[(Anonymous)]

OH I KNOW.

I am sick to death of posts on tumblr about "seeing this pairing is SO TRIGGERING, I'm going to defriend you if you post about it!" (And no, it's not, say, triggering because it pairs a rapist with their victim or something. It's "I ship [non-canon] A/B, so if I EVER see [canon] B/C or A/D, I AM SO OPPRESSED."

Or responding to a request of "Hey, I see that [non-canon pairing] is really popular in [fandom]. Can anyone explain why? I don't hate it or anything, I just don't understand how it got so popular," with a 100% serious "Check your privilege! Fuck you for thinking that the oppressed minority fans of this pairing owe you an explanation. It's not my job to educate you!"