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⌈ Secret Post #2171 ⌋

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OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

Question: how explicit is mainstream erotica? I'm talking about things like 50 Shades or your typical Harlequin/Mills & Boone book. Is it exclusively het or are there other gender pairings? In other words, if you like explicit porn and some gender variety, is it worth bothering with at all?

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

There are some publishers (usually of e-books, although I've seen a couple in print) who specialize in m/m romances and/or erotica. They tend to be about the level of the slightly-above-average slash fiction smut; some are really good, with great character building and dialogue in between all the pretty explicit sex, and some are kind of meh on the other stuff, but still do the explicit sex stuff.

There's also m/m/f stories out there, based on the covers; I haven't read them though. There's definitely BDSM based books too, and significantly fewer f/f or even f/f/m.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[femme_androgyne]

Anything that's just called erotica without having some variant of a "queer" label is probably going to be all about the het. It isn't exactly hard (hehe) to find gay/lesbian/etc. erotica, though, if you're willing to look. As for how explicit it is, companies like Harlequin have separate lines for the steamier books, so you just have to know what you're looking for.

Hope that helps.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[oroburos69]

For romance novels, not really on the variety thing, and I've never found them all that explicit. Most cater to gender roles so hard that...uh, basically, they have really, really intense gender role reinforcement in them. It's fucking creepy.

But there's romance novels, and then there's erotica. A lot of erotica is actually significantly more explicit than most fanfic--look for the stuff written by anonymous in the bookstore, with black covers, usually. I'm never really sure where people are getting this impression that smut doesn't get published. There's even kinky smut! It's all at your neighborhood bookstore.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

"Most cater to gender roles so hard that...uh, basically, they have really, really intense gender role reinforcement in them."

Yeah, I prefer fanfiction because that's the only place I can find heterosexual romance that doesn't do that. And pretty much the only place I can find heterosexual erotica without male dominance themes.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, your neighbourhood bookstore sounds awesome and win. Is it a Chapters Indigo? I've never seen an erotica section there.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[oroburos69]

Yeah, actually. I can't remember what they call the section, but it's been in every Chapters I've been in. Usually on the far end of romance or literature.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

Saweet! I know what I'll be doing on Boxing Day now ;)

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of erotica is actually significantly more explicit than most fanfic
I doubt this simply because of the types of kinks that are employed in fanfic that would be considered illegal or too offensive to publish.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I can't imagine there being much knotting or young teen/adult(among so many, many others) erotica out there.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[(Anonymous)]

"Explicit" doesn't mean "about weirder shit".

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[oroburos69]

It not representing obscure kinks doesn't make it soft-core. It exists, and it's porny--more so than a lot of explicit fic, and it's in book stores. That is the extent of my point.

Re: OT question about mainstream erotica

[honestys_easy]

Mainstream erotica can be very explicit. There are actually a LOT of imprints that are now publishing erotica specifically, and not just bodice-ripping romance novels. Check out Kensington Publishing Corp.'s Brava and Aphrodisia lines, Berkeley Publisher's Heat line, and even Harlequin's Spice line, which is much...well, spicier than their other romance imprints. If you're looking for gay/lesbian or gender variant erotica, Bold Strokes Books is a small publishing company that exclusively sells LGBT romance and erotica. There are a bunch of others--after 50 Shades blew up, every publishing company is getting their own erotica imprint out there--but these are only the ones I can think of off the top of my head.