[ SECRET POST #2180 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Fraiser]


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[Homestuck]


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[Kili/The Hobbit]


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09. [SPOILERS for the Walking Dead]



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10. [SPOILERS for How I Met Your Mother]



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11. [SPOILERS for Rise of the Guardians]



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12. [WARNING for abuse]



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13. [WARNING for rape, noncon]

[American Horror Story Asylum]


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14. [WARNING for rape]

[MLP: FiM]


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15. [WARNING for rape]

[Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen]


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16. [WARNING for suicide]

[Doctor Who]


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17. [WARNING for rape]



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18. [WARNING for IRL murder/shootings]



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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

...there are people who don't agree? O.o Do they actually listen to the lyrics?

A day after the first time I heard this song I went and started writing a really dark hetfic in my fandom-of-the-moment that was heavy on the mutual emotional abuse and humiliation kink. And, yes, she tied him to a kitchen chair and had her way with him. I mean, what else is the song about?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's necessarily about rape, as such. It could be read as being about the aftermath of a destructive, harmful romantic relationship and not about the rape. I mean, "she tied you to a kitchen chair / she broke your throne and she cut your hair" isn't explicitly sexual, and could be read as, you know, analogizing Biblical stories to the breakdown of a relationship and the way that it broke down the male subject emotionally.

Or it could be about rape. It's a song with legitimate ambiguity going on, it's not definitively about either or the other.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... Samson and Delilah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delilah)? From the Bible.

[(Anonymous)]

da - yeah, i always thought it was a refernece to samson & delilah. and i think i still do!

[(Anonymous)]

It's clearly a reference to Samson and Delilah. That's the whole concept and theme of the song - talking about a dark relationship in terms of Old Testament stories and psalms - Samson and Delilah, David and Bathsheba, David in general. Using that religious imagery to illuminate and talk about and comment on a relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, and specifically using two stories of powerful men who allowed sexual desire to override their better judgment and who ended up paying dearly for it. Samson lost his eyes and eventually his life, and David lost four of his sons as punishment for having the affair and murdering Bathsheba's husband to cover it up.

[(Anonymous)]

"bathing on the roof" I think is a reference to David and Bathsheba.

[(Anonymous)]

It is; in my translation (NIV) David sees Bathsheba bathing from the roof, but that is what he's getting at

[intrigueing]

Yup, definitely a Samson and Delilah reference, but the undertones of that can be interpreted in loads of different ways.

[glo_unit]

Nope, a lot of people just listen to the melody and the repeated Hallelujahs and don't actually realize the relationship described in the song is fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

fucked up =/= rape

[(Anonymous)]

Forget it, Jake - this is fandom-town. (No need for your real-world logic here...)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I've met a lot of people who see it in the "omg he's so heartbroken and destroyed over them breaking up isn't that romantic?" sense and others who mostly listen to the tune without the lyrics and get that it's deeply emotional but not that it's not fucked up. I personally think it's glaringly obvious too, but I've met people who disagreed.

Also, I've seen it used in movies so much where it seems like it's totally NOT the song you wanted for that moment (the bad idea but consensual sex in Watchman, ANYTHING in Shrek) that I've come under the impression that a lot of people don't think of the song that way at all. They're blinded by the prettiness of the voice and tune :\

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

At memorials and funerals. :/

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no, it's about rape. Sex that's guilt-ninja'd out of a dude by a girl who he doesn't want to actually have sex with is rape. There is not vigorous and informed consent given. (Which is, btw, WHY that song was chosen for Watchmen. Coerced sex = Rape.)

It is so fucked up and sad that because it's a beautiful song, people completely space out on how insanely fucked up and awful it is. Much like "Every Breath You Take" by the Police, which Sting himself has confirmed was supposed to be an oh-no-bad-touch song, but is one of the top 80's wedding songs. So screwed up.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no, it's about rape

No, not necessarily. I don't think that's an invalid interpretation, but that isn't the definite meaning. Cohen himself said that there were many valid interpretations to the song and just about every person who covered it gave it their own spin. If the song is about rape to you, then that's fine but don't shove that on everyone else and expect them to interpret it the same way.