[ SECRET POST #2180 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Fraiser]


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[Homestuck]


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09. [SPOILERS for the Walking Dead]



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11. [SPOILERS for Rise of the Guardians]



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12. [WARNING for abuse]



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13. [WARNING for rape, noncon]

[American Horror Story Asylum]


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14. [WARNING for rape]

[MLP: FiM]


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15. [WARNING for rape]

[Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen]


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16. [WARNING for suicide]

[Doctor Who]


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18. [WARNING for IRL murder/shootings]



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Comments

[fscom]

15. [WARNING for rape]
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[Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen]

[(Anonymous)]

...there are people who don't agree? O.o Do they actually listen to the lyrics?

A day after the first time I heard this song I went and started writing a really dark hetfic in my fandom-of-the-moment that was heavy on the mutual emotional abuse and humiliation kink. And, yes, she tied him to a kitchen chair and had her way with him. I mean, what else is the song about?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's necessarily about rape, as such. It could be read as being about the aftermath of a destructive, harmful romantic relationship and not about the rape. I mean, "she tied you to a kitchen chair / she broke your throne and she cut your hair" isn't explicitly sexual, and could be read as, you know, analogizing Biblical stories to the breakdown of a relationship and the way that it broke down the male subject emotionally.

Or it could be about rape. It's a song with legitimate ambiguity going on, it's not definitively about either or the other.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... Samson and Delilah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delilah)? From the Bible.

[glo_unit]

Nope, a lot of people just listen to the melody and the repeated Hallelujahs and don't actually realize the relationship described in the song is fucked up.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I've met a lot of people who see it in the "omg he's so heartbroken and destroyed over them breaking up isn't that romantic?" sense and others who mostly listen to the tune without the lyrics and get that it's deeply emotional but not that it's not fucked up. I personally think it's glaringly obvious too, but I've met people who disagreed.

Also, I've seen it used in movies so much where it seems like it's totally NOT the song you wanted for that moment (the bad idea but consensual sex in Watchman, ANYTHING in Shrek) that I've come under the impression that a lot of people don't think of the song that way at all. They're blinded by the prettiness of the voice and tune :\

[(Anonymous)]

Dunno about rape, but it does seem to be about one truly fucked-up relationship; I've always thought so.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, you mean that's not what it's about? I always assumed that when she ties him to the chair and hurts him, that she rapes him as well.

Guess that's been my headcanon too, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

Have none of you actually read or been told the story of Samson and Delilah?

Guys...? Seriously. It's a famous biblical story. Samson is blessed with great strength by God and the strength is in his hair. Delilah, the women he falls in love with, betrays him and shaves all his hair off, thus rendering him powerless.

Honestly...? Honestly? :\\\

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, sure, but the kitchen chair bit explicitly brings this into a modern framework where, yes, the Biblical story acts as a metaphor for rape.

Which frankly can be argued to apply to the original Biblical story, what with the long tradition in several cultures of warriors losing their power if they touched to "ZOMG SCARY" women-bits (especially when bleeding).

[(Anonymous)]

Those are my thoughts exactly. Sure, it is a fucked up relationship, but it is such a biblical reference, not a rape allegory. At least, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I honestly didn't think that line was meant to be about a person literally being bound and assaulted.

But I could be wrong. Doesn't ruin the song for me though.

[visp]

It would seem the classics are a dying study - and not even because of less religion. Seriously, my high school age sister was a Jebus groupie all through middle school and early high school, went to all these stupid bible summer camps and everything, and just a while ago, visiting her, on TV, someone made a 30 pieces of silver reference, and she looked at me and said: "What's 30 pieces of silver mean?"

But back to original subject, I have to agree that there's no references to violation in the song. It's a messed up relationship, and she done him wrong, no doubt, but it doesn't seem to have any rapey metaphors or allusions that I can catch.

Also, Cohen's music is the sexiest music, ever.

[(Anonymous)]

yes because everyone in the world has read/heard bible stories

everyone

no exceptions

[(Anonymous)]

I picked up on that, too.

[intrigueing]

Uhhhh...that was my exact interpretation the very first time I heard this song. I guess I was doing it wrong...<_<

[nan]

I've never interpreted that song like that.

And I still don't. But it's okay that you do, OP.

[ninety6tears]

So I'm the only person who thinks the verse about the chair is just an expression of the speaker allowing himself to be vulnerable/putting himself in the position to be betrayed. Yes, the song is pretty clearly about a troubled/ending relationship but I've never gotten any vibes of abuse from it at all :/

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I always thought about that part, but then again, I never got what the entire song was supposed to actually be about... :/ I feel so stupid now. I mean, I had my headcanony, self-insert, in-my-mind-only story for one of my fandoms to go along with it, because I'm the kind of person who does that kind of thing, but I honestly never fully got what the overall idea of the song was. After reading this thread, I'd like to think it's just because I don't have much religious education, and not because I'm an idiot...

[diet_poison]

Either way, it's dark. Still love that song. I never associated it with rape, just an emotionally painful/probably abusive relationship and heartbreak. But it could be, idk.

[(Anonymous)]

Interestingly, I'd read this article about the song and how it's been covered so many times recently: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/12/how-leonard-cohens-hallelujah-became-everybodys-hallelujah/265900/

This seemed relevant:

Cohen has always been ambiguous about what his "Hallelujah," with its sexual scenery and its religious symbolism, truly "meant." "This world is full of conflicts and full of things that cannot be reconciled," Cohen has said. "But there are moments when we can ... reconcile and embrace the whole mess, and that's what I mean by 'Hallelujah.'"

[(Anonymous)]

Wait ... is there another way to take that song?

0.0 maybe I'm just messed up, but I always kind of saw that song like that!

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I always thought it was about abuse, but I'm most familiar with Jeff Buckley's version, which is rather dark sounding. It's possible that how someone interprets it could just be up to whatever version a person hears, as there are so many.

[silverau]

I always thought it was about an unhealthy relationship, but I never got "rape" out of it. I got the Samsom and Delilah reference = loss of power, but I thought it was more about manipulation than rape. Like she metaphorically forced him to let down his guard around him and took advantage of the emotional power she had over him. My mind never connected it to sex, forced or coerced or otherwise.

I'll try to keep your interpretation in mind next time I listen to it.

[asecretchord]

I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though it all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah



Final verse. Pretty much sums up the entire song.