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I thought a lot of people liked Roseanne? I always see a lot of people on the internet (including fs) talk about how they enjoy it, and I never got the impression that they liked it ironically

i LOVED this show, it made me feel normal...i grew up watching Brady Bunch and pretty much always had secret thoughts that there was something 'wrong' with my family...years later, Rosanne made me remember those thoughts and made it better

I never got that impression either. A lot of people enjoy the show, minus that horrendous final season. I still love it, too, actually.

Edited 2013-01-19 20:31 (UTC)

I liked Roseanne unless it's last season. I remember lots of jokes.

I think a lot of people like Roseanne, the show. Certainly, I think most people within fandom who talk about it do so unironically - it's funny, it's got heart, it's got an honest portrayal of a working class family that's smart but real but not overly negative, it's got John Goodman.

I think there is a lot of negativity in the culture at large, not towards the show but towards Roseanne Barr - she's a woman! she's outspoken and kind of out there in some of her personal views! she sang the Star Spangled Banner once and it was really shit! - which you might be picking up. But that's different.

I think the thing to remember about Roseanne Barr that a lot of her haters conveniently miss, is that though the show was under her creative control during the admittedly craptastic last season(s), it was also under her control for the most brilliant parts of the series as well.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-19 20:43 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-19 21:02 (UTC) - Expand

I think a lot of people don't like Roseanne the person, but I think a lot of people liked the show. Darlene was my favorite.

I grew up with the show, and my mother is/was so much like Roseanne's character that I don't even want to imagine how I would've turned out had that show not been around for my formative years. So, yeah, I love it in a very non-ironic way.

You're not supposed to like Roseanne? I've been doing it wrong all these years...

This was my thought. I love Roseanne, as the actor and just as herself.

I loved this show when it was on, and in re-watching on Netflix, I still love it. I think it has a lot of great things to say about family, especially things about growing up as a woman (Becky and Darlene are very different people but the show addresses their challenges in growing up equally, without favoring one over the other, and overall they become strong women because of their family life)... I know that things went kind of ridiculous and crazy in the final few seasons, but that happens with a lot of shows that run for so long the ideas start to go dry. Honestly, I think it's a great show and I think that Dan and Roseanne's relationship is a lot more natural and realistic than most married couples on TV. I also love shows that explore sibling relationships and I thought Jackie and Roseanne were a really interesting dynamic.

But maybe I just love 90's sitcoms more than current ones. Roseanne and Frasier especially, totally different kinds of shows but I think that they both won out in making their characters very sympathetic and loveable but also very flawed.

I loved this show. It was one of the only ones I related to when I was younger. Many jokes felt personal to me, like "I got it!". I almost never feel that way about sitcoms like Seinfeld, Friends, Full House, and so on.

I like Roseanne. Not my favorite sitcom ever, but it's still nice. I do think a lot of the hate can be attributed to Roseanne's change of tone from the few final seasons onwards.

The actress herself, I mean. She got a lot more self absorbed, and it seemed she stopped trying to deal with important issues, and just started to kind of make a lot of noise and flatter herself.

It was funny watching it recently and realizing just how much early Roseanne resembles my aunt.

I fucking love Roseanne. Roseanne was literally my family growing up (with all the dysfunction and white trash moments). When people ask what TV family I would want to be a part of, it is Roseanne.

Dunno why the show would be getting a lot of hate now, but when it was on, it was one of the top-rated sitcoms of its era. Chalk me up as another regular viewer who enjoyed the show in its first run.

....was it really that long ago? D-:

Roseanne is one of my all-time favorite shows. I still DVR it and watch the reruns. It may be dated, but the subject matter is still relatable. Plus, John Goodman.

Okay, somebody is going to have to explain to me what is means to enjoy something ironically. I can't work it out in my head.

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Dude, I freaking love Roseanne. The show and the person, she's so damn weird in interviews that it's kind of endearing. ;3;

What? When did that become a thing?

I like the show, too, and I was never aware that it was a bad thing to do so. O.o

Feels like every few years some geek feels like they shouldn't be enjoying Roseanne. My guess is the feeling is because at first glance it looks like a "dumb white trash sitcom."

A) Joss Whedon was one of the writers. Remember how Darlene was all into indie comic books and she and her boyfriend were writing/drawing their own? And how DJ wanted to be a director? Heck, Darlene had a poster of the Endless and a Batman:TAS cell in her room. Liking Roseanne adds +1 to your Geek Score. (Disliking it does nothing. There's no such thing as negative points in Geek Score.)

B) The show is smart. And more than that, it's genuine. Roseanne always had a hell of a lot of honest to it, showing people who felt like real people in relationships that looked shockingly like relationships in real life. Yeah, the later seasons got crazy and stupid, but the show was at heart based on showing how funny unsugarcoated life could be, and it did a great job of it.

C) The family loves each other. They fight, scream, storm out, occasionally run away from home or refuse to speak to one other, but they love each other. That's a really comforting thing to see, especially if you grew up in a shouty family. It deals with the feeling of loving very imperfect people (for example, Dan's mother. That episode hit home, even if a lot of it was hilarious).

D) Roseanne was so ridiculously progressive that sometimes I'm still caught by surprise when I watch it now. It's one of the few shows that ever brought up the subject of abortion, and let it be a legitimate option for the woman in question (instead of just mentioning or alluding to it and having the character flat-out refuse), and have the point hammered in by Dan clarifying to his guy friends that while he had his preference about which way it could go, the choice was ultimately Roseanne's, and he would support whatever she chose to do with her own body. It had multiple gay characters, who for the most part, were characters and not stereotypes. They were characters who happened to be gay, not characters defined by their sexuality. And speaking of sexuality, while it was played for laughs, and while she was always kinda dopey and pathetic (and I love her so much), Jackie was a woman who had sex when she wanted to, which was often. There is one episode where her current bf made her feel bad for having slept with so many men, but he was a dick, and that's made pretty clear. And while she's promiscuous, she's not presented as "the sex bunny" the way she would be in most sitcoms.

E) It's a funny show with a whole boatload of hilarious female characters in it. Roseanne and Jackie, Darlene, Becky, Roseanne's mother (she cracks me up every time.) They get to be people and they get to be funny.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-01-20 00:37 (UTC) - Expand

I liked the show except for the last season. I hated the final episode. I think that is what most people hate about the show.

I liked it when it was airing, and I saw some episodes recently - which I still enjoyed :D

Edited 2013-01-20 10:58 (UTC)

Huh? Roseanne isn't just generally liked by people but admired for what it was doing. Seems like exactly the type of show people feel they 'should' like--except for the last season which trashed so much of it. Why would you feel you weren't supposed to like it?

I loved Roseanne. Darlene was my spirit animal. Then the last season happened and things got weird.

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