[ SECRET POST #2251 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2251 ⌋

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Comments

[mekkio]

The Boob song was annoying and I don't get how that was supposed to be funny.

The whole song WAS supposed to be offensive. That was the joke. That he did this song in the alternative future and it was so wrong that he was declared the worst host ever. The song in itself wasn't supposed to be funny. It was that he was such a jackass for doing it in the first place. And all those reaction shots of the actresses he mentioned in the song? They were pretaped. They were in on the joke. That's why Theron was shown giving a reaction shot in one style dress and hair style and then not even a minute later comes on stage in a completely different dress and hair style.

[wingedthing]

Thank you. I've been waiting all week for someone who isn't me to have also picked up on this.

[(Anonymous)]

But...that doesn't make it better.

Saying, "Hey, it sure would be offensive if I do this thing!" doesn't mean that anyone calling you a jackhole after you do that thing is wrong. He did sing a song that inherently sexualized breasts regardless of context (including rape scenes, medical scenes, and in one particular charming case--a literal invasion of someone's actual, in-real-life-not-a-movie privacy involving hacked phones and private photos being spread around on the internet).

That's always been MacFarlane's schtick--the attempted refuge in audacity. The upfront knowledge that he's being offensive, followed by him doing/saying offensive stuff with a great big grin. But the joke is still, "Hey, these actresses here to receive recognition for professional achievement, we saw your boobs, and that is both hilarious and sexual!" Followed by a pretend shake of the finger by Shatner.

Hell, it just reinforces the whole idea of men saying really crappy things to women, but they're just being rascals, so hey!

[mekkio]

Just admit that you didn't get the joke. Because, clearly, you don't.

[straydog733]

Different anon, but no, I'd call that a pretty accurate breakdown of the joke.

[meadowphoenix]

You realize that just because the punchline is supposed to be "We all know this is terrible, hyuck hyuch" doesn't actually make the whole thing less offensive right. He executed it badly and it doubled down on the offensive rather than off-set it. I don't think you really get it either.

[mekkio]

I got the joke. I even explained it up thread. I never said it was funny or not because humor is subjective. But I understood it completely. And if you don't think I did then you didn't get it.

[meadowphoenix]

I mean, I don't think you get the issue. It wasn't just terrible because it wasn't funny. It was terrible because he tried to use setup/context to defuse the offense and failed, compounding the offense.

[citrinesunset]

The fact that it was supposed to be offensive doesn't make it an effective joke, though. And I'm not arguing that it wasn't effective. Personally, I felt like it wasn't because it seemed to hinge too much on the idea that a woman exposing her breasts is shameful. But obviously this is subjective and comes down to taste.

I just don't like it when people act like the fact that something is supposed to be offensive is enough to make it funny. There generally has to be more of a point than "Hey! I just said something that makes me sound like a jackass!"

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I felt like it wasn't because it seemed to hinge too much on the idea that a woman exposing her breasts is shameful

That's the biggest problem I have with it. (Well, that, and the fact that one of those incidents referenced wasn't an actress making a choice, but having her privacy violated.) It just reinforces the American taboo against nudity.

People say you're a prude if you didn't like that song, and I feel like it's the opposite. Nudity is natural. Breasts are natural (most of the time). It isn't shocking to have breasts. It isn't all that shocking to see breasts either.

And the contexts of four of those scenes were either a rape or a medical (often after-rape/abuse) scene. You can see the actress's breasts, but not in even a remotely sexual way.

But MacFarlane's song seems to cheerfully taunt all of the actresses for having shown their boobs, and then it just enforces the idea that breasts, in ANY context, are sexual objects, and not just a natural part of a woman's body. Which serves to make them "shocking" on film. And just...gah, it's so stuuuupid.

[citrinesunset]

The reaction shots kind of annoyed me, too, since some of them seemed like they were supposed to suggest that the actresses saw doing nude scenes as something embarrassing. Yes, it was staged and apparently the actresses who participated were all right with it. But that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to find it funny.

I agree that using examples rape scenes and other non-sexual contexts was in poor taste, too.

I'm not sure I know what the point of the song was, to be honest. I don't feel like it works as a joke about the ridiculousness of seeing female nudity as shocking, especially with how the reaction shots were staged. And if it was offensive just for the sake of being offensive, then I just don't see that as good humor. I think very few comedians are good at doing offensiveness for the sake of offensiveness.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I felt like it wasn't because it seemed to hinge too much on the idea that a woman exposing her breasts is shameful.

I thought it was about the idea that guys are so simple minded they can name every actress who's boobs they've seen. Cause I mean he kinda pulled that joke in Family Guy with Peter.

[lex_antonia]

I don't get why people act like 'it's satire!' is a magical fix-it for everything? There's good satire, and there's bad satire. Good satire has to be marginally cleverer than the thing it takes on, or it is pretty damn pointless. 'Look everyone, we're doing this thing everybody thinks is bad, except WE don't mean it, aren't we smart or what?' isn't enough for me.

I don't find Seth McWhatshisname particularly offensive, actually. He's too basic to give a damn.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh they were pre-taped well that makes it less awkward and more funny to me. Thanks for the info.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with the boob song was it went on way too long. If it had been a short clip to just show him being a jackass, that would have been funny. But the song just went on and on and on. I was so bored by the end of it.

They turned what should have been a funny joke into something stupid by having it go on for so long.

[mekkio]

That I agree with. Seth has a bad history of dragging out jokes long past they have reached the funny mark on his shows. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. This time it really didn't work. And for comedy, timing is everything.

[otakugal15]

Has anyone also stopped to look up the films and notice that most of them are Oscar winners in some form or were basically Oscar bait?

I mean...he could have mentioned Swordfish instead of Monster's Ball, but he didn't.

He specifically targeted films that were up for nominations of some sort.

And nobody thinks that may be the point? Why did the 4 movies mentioned that have rape scenes NEED for the audience to see their breasts? Why did these movies need that at all?

[(Anonymous)]

Why is it bad that they showed their breasts?

Why is that the bit folks defending the song come down on?

Because breasts are a part of a woman's body. Because in rape/abuse, they are often targeted. Because movies are a form of visual story-telling, and a movie can be "Oscar Bait" but still be a good movie that did everything it could to effectively tell a story. Because seeing a woman's battered body after a rape scene should elicit feelings of horror and sympathy, not tittering at boobies. Because the context of the scenes would have made it stupid and childish to play camera tricks to avoid the dreaded breast shot.

Because breasts are natural things, and that's okay, and maybe we're all grown-ups and don't need to titter ever time we see some, regardless of the context.


(And it's still a moot point because one of the "saw your boobs!" WASN'T EVEN A MOVIE.)

[otakugal15]

That's not what I was getting at, you fucking ass. Of course women's boobs are natural. What I'm getting at, and what I think he was getting at, is WHY DO THEY HAVE TO SHOW THEM IN A MOVIE THAT IS OSCAR BAIT?!

Because our entertainment industry sees a woman's body as its ticket to a winning movie. Not as a person, as a money ticket. We never seen men's nudity. When we do? It's considered NC-17, because no one wants to see a PERSON like that. Women? They aren't people, so it's A-OK.

And you can get the same, emotional response from a rape scene WITHOUT having to show off the boobs.

His song was literally making fun of everyone who had that reaction. "Oh, we see so-and-so's boobs? I'm in!!"

[citrinesunset]

Maybe? I mean, yeah, I can definitely see that interpretation, but I'm not sure the joke's execution pulled it off well. At the very least, I've seen much cleverer Oscar-bait jokes.

[otakugal15]

Oh I know. The execution, if that's a true interpretation, wasn't that good, but it's why I wasn't offended. That's what I took away from it. And not him shaming them either. Just questioning WHY these Oscar bait movies have to have topless actresses, but no boxerless men.

Though the remark about Scar Jo is, yeah....typical male there.

[citrinesunset]

Yeah, I think it would be possible to craft a decent joke about the prevalence of female nudity vs. male nudity. This one, if that was the intent, wasn't focused enough.

And yeah, the Scar Jo reference was pretty crass and didn't even fit at all if the joke was supposed to be about Oscar-bait nudity.