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[ SECRET POST #2264 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2264 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Criminal Minds, Dharma & Greg]

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[Alex and Emma Watson]

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[Anthony Bourdain and Guy Fieri]

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[Kuroko no Basket]

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[Les Miserables]

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[Psycho Pass]

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[Journey Into Mystery]

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[WARNING for rape]

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[Kuroshitsuji; linked for (obvious) child abuse, animated]

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[Revolution]

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[Assassin's Creed 3]

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What's with the undercurrent of anti-atheism they've got going on.

I mean you would think of all the groups, the one that pays such massive attention to language, and the effect of systematic belief even in a non-direct fashion would be best suited to understand precisely why "You people what you want, and I'll believe what I want yolo" is problematic.

Also that whole religion being the perfect encapsulation of the patriarchy thing.

i've never noticed. in fact most of my fellow ~~SJW~~ friends are atheists so.

I haven't seen this. What I've seen is a lot of SJWs are atheists and must have run out of things to whine about because so many of them are doing all they can to give the rest of the world the impression that atheism = anti-religion.

i haven't seen this, tbh, but i'm willing to wager that if certain SJWs are dogging on atheists, it's not because of their atheism but because of something else. there's a big trend of MRAs who also happen to be staunch atheists and focus a good part of their daily lives letting people know about it. they're gross assholes in general and the way they project their atheism is hilarious but can be really problematic in light of their other beliefs so i can see why some SJWs would jump on them.

also there's some overlap between the atheist and MRA communities, and the norse pagans and white power ideologies. See: Stormfront, The Amazing Atheist.

obviously not all norse pagans and atheists are racist/sexist, but there are a loud minority on the internet who are.

so that would be the kinds of people they're directing criticism towards, but i guess some people generalize it to include ALL THE ATHEISTS! when that's really not the case.

ah, the amazing atheist. my favourite dumbass.

not really, he sucks. but yeah there's definitely a pattern in some of these ideologies or whatever, so that's probably where the sjw hate is coming from? most of the sjw types that i know are atheists, so i can't imagine they're upset over atheism itself.

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i like your implication that not only is atheism indisputably correct but also that belief in god is not only factually but also morally wrong

thumbs up! (not actually)

I've seen it several times, and apparently the problem is not so much atheism in itself but rather atheist BNFs' misogyny. Richard Dawkins in particular.

BUT. It could be something else, I tend to avoid SJWs.

It's that. The thing I find irritating about it is that it always seems like atheism is held to a higher standard or (more likely) atheism is a safer target, since they must be depraved homicidal maniacs if they don't have the fear of God's wrath keeping them in line.

Uh, what? I don't think that most of the people on the Internet who argue against atheists take that line, outside of hardcore Christian apologists. For one thing, many of the people who argue against 'mainstream' atheism, if you're willing to allow me to call it that, are themselves atheists. I know that I am personally, and I argue against it plenty.

It's not that I believe that atheists are necessarily less moral. It's just that I think a lot of atheists out there, especially the ones who tend to be outspoken, who tend to be extremely critical of religion as such, and who tend to take Dawkins and Hitchens as their models, tend to make bad arguments, and also act like assholes a lot. And also the freethinker community has problems with misogyny, which is a third issue, and I don't think that they should get a pass for being atheists, if you know what I mean.

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Would you please mind explaining why the sentiment "you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want" is "problematic".

(And before you bring up anything about Christians trying to force misogynist, homophobic laws on everyone else, that has more to do with the issue of separating religion from government. I'm talking about actual religious belief in and of itself.)

I was wondering this, too o_O Since when did "live and let live" become problematic?

I'm generally very much against most organized religions, but I have no beef with people who are content to practice their beliefs without hurting or oppressing anybody else. As long as they don't try to convert me to their way of thinking, I won't try to convert them to mine. What's wrong with that?

Well, the argument can more or less be tied down to "Well, if you religion says you are opposed to x and y, you are a bad person"

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I can't speak for most, but I wouldn't surprised if a few are in response to some of the 'RELIGION IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS!!!11! ONLY GIBBERING IDIOTS BELIEVE!!1!!!' and general insistence on...you know. Insulting religion even when it's not called for I've seen starting to crop up in some places.

Oh it's been around since "badass" teenagers existed.

AYRT

Oh, I know. The big difference is that more and more *adults* are starting to act this way too - and not just the twenty-somethings. So it's getting a bit more traction and more noticeable.

...letting people have their beliefs is problematic?

what

There's the notion that the way religion is held as "sacred" and above criticism or examination in our society is a problem, and when more benign religious beliefs are treated as though they should be insulated from the sort of criticism that any other idea might be subject to, they lend legitimacy to more harmful religious beliefs. That's how you get people who oppose gay rights being able to say, "It's just my religious belief" and expect that defense to be taken seriously. The argument is that no belief should be beyond question or criticism, even if it's someone's religious belief that they're emotionally invested in, because placing a certain category of beliefs beyond criticism allows hatred and bigotry to run unchecked when they fall under that category.

At least, I think that's where OP is going with this.

So it's a slippery slope argument, then? "First we let you believe that God loves you, then you'll want us to let you believe that it's okay to kill gay people?" I'm not totally sure that tracks.

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There are some respects in which this point is valid. The question of the validity of religion and religious maxims and its relation to morality is a really problematic and complicated one. The problem is that mainstream in atheism in no way has the tools to get involved in this kind of moral debate or deal with the complex and subtle questions it raises. There's some meat there; the problem is that what mainstream atheism does with it is just incredibly dumb and naive and un-thoughtful.

I don't think any category of beliefs should be "beyond criticism". I say this as a Christian. If I can't examine and defend my faith, what is it worth, anyway? But implying that religious freedom is in itself problematic is a completely different thing from implying that religion needs to be under scrutiny (especially, as I would say, from those who practice it!) or saying that religious beliefs should be allowed to influence political matters (I staunchly believe they should not).

I think if that's OP's attitude they're taking it a bit far. Everyone should have the freedom to believe what they want to believe. That doesn't mean I have to respect your beliefs (though I usually do unless your belief is "killing puppies for dinner" or something idk) or agree with them or that your beliefs have any place in law (they usually don't) but yeah people should be allowed to have them.

I've seen some things about how atheism often overlaps with racism, and when atheists hate on religion they'll move into hating on marginalized groups in which a majority practice a certain religion.

Of course, most atheists don't do that. But you know what they say about vocal minorities.

Actually I think f!s is pretty low on the drama meter. And when it happens it usually doesn't have anything to do with actual SJWs, unless they're trolls. There is a very low tolerance for that behavior here.

I haven't seen any atheist wank specifically, but the SJWs are getting out of hand in general. It seems like there used to be very little drama here, and now it seems like the comm is filled with assholes starting wank just for the hell of it.

the SJWs are getting out of hand

Is there such a thing as a SJW who isn't "out of hand"? I get the impression the term is a pejorative in the first place. It's not like anyone refers to themselves as a SJW, after all, or like anyone else thinks there's a level of SJW-ness that isn't "too much".

In any case, I haven't seen that much drama here. Now and then someone says something that gets someone else's hackles up, and they get called out. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it isn't; sometimes wank happens, sometimes doesn't. In any case, I feel this place manages pretty well to stay away from ugliness of both sides, ie generally there seems to be very little sexism, homophobia, other forms of prejudice and very little Social Justice War.