[ SECRET POST #2267 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2267 ⌋

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Comments

[elephantinegrace]

1. Just because someone isn't being actively treated like crap for her/his sexual orientation doesn't mean that she/he is being treated fairly for the same reason that a show can be racist if it has only people of a specific race even if they never make disparaging remarks about a different race. Just because a woman in a wheelchair isn't mocked by classmates doesn't mean she doesn't go to an oppressive school if there are no ramps for her to use to get to classes.

2. Not everyone tags their stuff, and the recent remodel has left a lot of extensions useless. And if you do block certain tags, your dash could just be a mass of "So-and-so posted this thing, do you want to see it?"

3. OP said that those people are pleasing to look at, but there are plenty of people who are pretty who don't make Tumblr spontaneously explode.

4. It depends on what parts of Tumblr you're on, and I think the OP was going for figureheads of the most obnoxious fandoms more than all-inclusiveness (TH for posh British actors, JP for Supernatural, and DOB for Teen wolf).

[(Anonymous)]

1. How does that hypothetical wheelchair scenario even compare? WTF should people be doing to not treat asexuals "unfairly"? Not reblog hot people?

2. You can get rid of those notifications OR you can just deal with it like everyone else that blocks stuff.

3. So? Some people are liked more than others. Color me surprised.

4. Not really an argument here. Except for OP choosing JP over Jensen Ackles.

[(Anonymous)]

There's not a lot you need to do to avoid treating asexuals "unfairly", but it would help to not boil over with hostility when the subject comes up.

[tabaqui]

Jesus fuck, this.

[sagelazarus]

Goddamn right

[wldcatsprstr_14]

Asexual people aren't oppressed. Thinking they are is a joke.

If asexual people are oppressed because people boggle that they aren't interested in having sex or question why they aren't interested, then I'm oppressed because people boggle that I have no interest in learning to drive, or learning to swim.

I'm still free to learn if I ever get curious and none of my rights have been stripped or will be stripped if I decide I never become interested. In the same way, asexual people are absolutely free to be asexual. To not fuck whoever they don't wanna fuck (or fuck whoever they wanna fuck if they decide they want to). They're also free to get married if they want or not get married. Have relationships if they want or not have them. Live wherever they want. Go wherever they want. Work wherever they want.

Yea, no. That's not oppression. That's just being a part of a fringe group and not even one of the groups that are actually victimized.

[elephantinegrace]

I didn't actually think it was oppression, until literally the comment I responded to. The anon gets angry over why people would have to come out as asexual in such a derogatory tone that I'm still fuming. Being victimized includes being talked about in such snide tones.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I'm not all worked up like the AYRT but I see why they would be. Especially if they're LGBTQ-oriented. Coming out for such a person could get them disowned, beating, or even killed. 'Coming out' to say that you just never wanna have sex ever with anyone at all? Having some people go bug-eyed and ask stupid questions about why you don't wanna shag is not even close to the kind of victimization that LGBTQ-oriented people can face. I could see why the AYRT would get really upset about someone insinuating that the two are similar in any way.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, I'm a queer person, and I'd like to take a second to explain to you why people get angry over the use of coming out.

Consider the fact that for asexual people, if they *come out* as asexual, they get strange looks, asshole comments, questions on if they are all right and don't need help with a medical arousal issue.

Know what lgbt people have historically received and even often do receive today? Being thrown out, domestic violence, losing friends, being killed, prayers for their souls, and sometimes worse. It's true that these days, things are getting better in many areas and LGBT youth who come out to their families are receiving less violently negative reactions, but it doesn't change the high amount of homeless LGBT youth due to coming out or being outed, and the amount of LGBT teens who are bullied to the point of suicide or murdered.

So please, do not pretend that stating that you (general you, not you personally) are not interested in sex or do not experience sexual attraction/desire for sex is anywhere near coming out, and how coming out is for LGBT folk.

[(Anonymous)]

"They're also free to get married if they want or not get married. Have relationships if they want or not have them. Live wherever they want. Go wherever they want. Work wherever they want."

None of this applies to homoromantic asexuals.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

You know, I was actually gonna throw that in there but then I looked at how long it was and started to feel like I'd come off as angry or ranty so I didn't.

But yes, this is very true.

[(Anonymous)]

But they are denied those rights because of their homosexuality, not their asexuality.

[(Anonymous)]

homoromantic asexuals are members of the LGBT community in that they are same sex oriented. They are not members of the LGBT community for being asexual.

due to their being homoromantic, they are oppressed for their sexuality, yes. because sexuality in this case is not HAVING sex, it's the sex/gender of your partner.

[(Anonymous)]

Fwiw, asexuality is generally treated as a medical disorder (hypoactive sexual desire disorder in the DSM-IV) or personal choice, not a sexuality. As a bisexual, I can certainly understand the suckiness of having people refuse to believe that your sexuality exists, calling your sexuality disgusting (while having a completely incorrect understanding of it), refusing to entertain a relationship with anyone of your sexuality, and attempting to get you to choose a different sexuality.

While it may not be like the systematic oppression that certain groups experience, the precedence for...maligning...asexuals clearly exists, as evidenced by the words "frigid" and HSDD. Homosexuality is no longer considered a mental disorder in most Western countries, and transsexuals are increasingly seeing medical professionals for assistance in transition. Both are also increasingly being understood as rooted in brain chemistry rather than personal choice, childhood abuse, or other nonsense. You find homosexuals and transgender people on television shows and movies out of proportion with the actual population. Crossdressers and genderqueer people are also being increasingly represented.

It may not be oppression, but the world has a long way to go until asexuality is considered a real sexuality.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

All very true. From a scientific perspective, I can see why the battle will be so long and arduous. Humans are typically sexual creatures. Homosexuality is considered a 'sexual deviance,' sex with the 'wrong' body, but no sex at all just baffles folks. Hopefully we get there soon and stop thinking people need to be 'fixed.'

[(Anonymous)]

God, if one more dumbass asks me if I had to choose, would I pick guys or girls for the rest of my life, or which one I like more, I will scream.

[(Anonymous)]

or learning to swim
I've gotta say, as someone from a small island nation I'm absolutely horrified by this. EVERYONE should learn to swim, unless you are physically incapable of it for whatever reason. It doesn't matter whether you want to, it's a safety thing.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

LOl I know I *should* and I've started but only at the urging of others. I have absolutely no personal interest.

[dazzledfirestar]

No one is going to tell you that there's something inherently wrong with you mentally or physically because you don't want to learn to swim. Asexuals have to deal with that ideology on a pretty regular basis. Does that sound family? Homosexuality was treated as a psychological disorder for a long, long time too.

If you don't know your history, you're doomed to repeat it. This is a prime example.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking this, preach it preach it preach

[(Anonymous)]

How are asexuals treated unfairly? By having to deal with being annoyed by people who don't get the concept of not caring about sex? Yeah that's sooooooo unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

Technically speaking, it is unfair for anyone to have to deal with anyone else boggling about their sexual preferences or lack thereof. Practically, it's a minor enough thing that I don't think it's worth complaining about.

[sagelazarus]

I once had a female friend of mine be beaten because she was asexual. I, a homosexual, never have been.

Having people FROTH WITH INDIGNANT RAGE over one's sexuality is still a BFD.

[(Anonymous)]

It is unfair. Just like it is unfair to boggle someone if they are gay or straight. People don't get it that asexuality is a sexuality. They treat it like it's some sort of mental problem. Sounds familiar? Homosexuality was treated like it was some sort of illness. Asexuals get the same. In fact, I have friends who understand and accept homosexuals but asexuals are like something totally bizarre, definitely not normal, for them and perhaps even needs some medical help.
So you think it's ok if asexuals get pestered and teased because of their sexuality? My, my, aren't you a lovely one with some nice double standards.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't get why it's important. The amount of sex someone wants to have just seems like tmi to me.