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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-18 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #2267 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2267 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This secret makes me so angry for so many reasons.

1) "came out" No. I hate when people thing that asexuality is some kind of horribly oppressed minority like homosexuality or transsexualism. It isn't.

2) "so much...and I really can't do that" boo-fucking-hoo. Tumblr savior their names or something and stop whining about it. I am not attracted to women, but you don't see me complaining about it. I just know that "Hey, people like different things."

3) "I can...dash...combust." Because they are hot and people like them. Realy damned hard to understand.

4) Jensen Ackles is totally seen more than Jared Padelecki. And no Benedict Cumberbatch? Psssssh.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
1) "came out" No. I hate when people thing that asexuality is some kind of horribly oppressed minority like homosexuality or transsexualism. It isn't.

THANK YOU.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not a horribly oppressed minority at all. It's, like -- the people who don't like chocolate. No, not at all. No, not even in ice cream. No, not even in coffee. No, not like that, either. No, the Triple Chocolate Meltdown doesn't look that awesome. No, I don't know why you've acquired some sort of magnetic attraction to that Godiva box.

It's not oppression, it's nothing like oppression. It's being left out and misunderstood, because you're not interested in the same things as everyone else and no one can figure out how you can dislike it.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2013-03-18 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
No. If you don't like chocolate you say, "I don't like chocolate." The person offering it goes, "Okay" and eats their chocolate they now do not have to share. The end.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know the OP's gender (and I assumed female from the ovaries thing, though they're saying other people say that, so they could be male), but I think being an asexual male could be pretty difficult. Some guys just kind of expect other guys to show sexual interest in women, and being asexual could make you seem weird to those types, or possibly make them assume you were gay and trying to cover it up.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much, but there's a bit more to it. Some girls think that I'll judge them for having sex, and I've had a few guys think I'll be easy if they just do this or that. People have also assumed that I was molested or had some other traumatic event, and a few times I've been tempted to lie just so they'll shut up.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2013-03-18 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Just because someone isn't being actively treated like crap for her/his sexual orientation doesn't mean that she/he is being treated fairly for the same reason that a show can be racist if it has only people of a specific race even if they never make disparaging remarks about a different race. Just because a woman in a wheelchair isn't mocked by classmates doesn't mean she doesn't go to an oppressive school if there are no ramps for her to use to get to classes.

2. Not everyone tags their stuff, and the recent remodel has left a lot of extensions useless. And if you do block certain tags, your dash could just be a mass of "So-and-so posted this thing, do you want to see it?"

3. OP said that those people are pleasing to look at, but there are plenty of people who are pretty who don't make Tumblr spontaneously explode.

4. It depends on what parts of Tumblr you're on, and I think the OP was going for figureheads of the most obnoxious fandoms more than all-inclusiveness (TH for posh British actors, JP for Supernatural, and DOB for Teen wolf).
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
1. How does that hypothetical wheelchair scenario even compare? WTF should people be doing to not treat asexuals "unfairly"? Not reblog hot people?

2. You can get rid of those notifications OR you can just deal with it like everyone else that blocks stuff.

3. So? Some people are liked more than others. Color me surprised.

4. Not really an argument here. Except for OP choosing JP over Jensen Ackles.

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[personal profile] wldcatsprstr_14 2013-03-18 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Asexual people aren't oppressed. Thinking they are is a joke.

If asexual people are oppressed because people boggle that they aren't interested in having sex or question why they aren't interested, then I'm oppressed because people boggle that I have no interest in learning to drive, or learning to swim.

I'm still free to learn if I ever get curious and none of my rights have been stripped or will be stripped if I decide I never become interested. In the same way, asexual people are absolutely free to be asexual. To not fuck whoever they don't wanna fuck (or fuck whoever they wanna fuck if they decide they want to). They're also free to get married if they want or not get married. Have relationships if they want or not have them. Live wherever they want. Go wherever they want. Work wherever they want.

Yea, no. That's not oppression. That's just being a part of a fringe group and not even one of the groups that are actually victimized.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-18 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
How are asexuals treated unfairly? By having to deal with being annoyed by people who don't get the concept of not caring about sex? Yeah that's sooooooo unfair.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I remember the feelings from the week of my life when I thought I was a lesbian since I wasn't interested in guys. Asexuality is pretty damn easy to live with compared to that.

But I've never told my family. I've never told my friends. I nod and giggle along to the jokes people at work make about my meeting some guy and having babies.

I've never told them because I simply don't want to be the one trying to explain the concept of not being interested in anyone ever and being perfectly happy that way. I don't want to explain, fifty times over, that yes it is really possible. I don't want for them to discuss my "made-up" sexual orientation behind my back. I don't want them to start coming up with theories about what terrible abuse or rape I suffered to make me this way. I don't want them to pity me. I don't want them to start looking for clues about me really being a lesbian.

I would never, ever compare the experience of being asexual with that of queer and trans* people. But it being less threatening in the eye of the heterosexual paradigm does not mean that it is bunnies and flowers to be out and open about it.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much why I stopped mentioning it to people. I can appreciate pretty people of both genders, so I'm pretty good at squeeing along with people and I've never met anyone who talked about sexual fantasies or expected that of me, so all has been well.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-20 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
It's only not bunnies and flowers because it's misogyny at work, attacking women who don't show they want to have sex whenever men want and men who don't exude sexual desire and prowess toward women is pretty much what it's about. It sucks, and I'm sorry you deal with it.

I'm a lesbian. I'm sorry thinking of being someone like me scared you so bad. That's not even really snarky, it's legitimate -- coming out was the hardest thing I'd ever done, and I'd bitten my tongue for years. I wish I could say it turned out happily, and that I didn't still have battles to face. But for me, coming out was the right choice, and living while out is the right choice.

Although let me tell you -- I still do get asked by ignorant people (some of them family members) if it was a sexual assault that made me this way, or if it's made up, etc.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
"coming out" isn't just for oppressed minorities. It's pretty much just for anything that isn't heterosexual. Weird taht you're so upset about this.
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[personal profile] sagelazarus 2013-03-19 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
Fucking thank you.

Where I live, you basically come out about having an alternate religion or that you're non-heterosexual or... just about ANYTHING that isn't the social norm because people are judgey and potentially violant af.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-20 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
coming out is LGBT terms that we fought for and identified --- don't even try to justify this
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[personal profile] herongale 2013-03-19 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think that a casual "I'm out to my friends" comment equates to thinking that asexuality is some form of horrible oppression.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say that oppressed is definitely too strong as a word for the treatment of asexuals since the issue is that few people truly understand what asexuality is, there's no background or history or discussion around it - it's just people not understanding and being assholes. That said, people being assholes still hurts especially when they're people you care about.

Me personally, I've been tempted to come out to my family for a while but known that I'd need to "come out" as aromantic and ace as well and that's what scares me because I know I'll need to explain to them from the ground-up what that is and there's a strong chance that they'll think I've been deluded by some internet feminist rubbish and say I'll meet a nice person one day. It's not that there's an oppressive system working against you so much as people genuinely don't understand and then dismiss your own feelings about your sexuality as crazy.

I agree that it's not oppression basically but that doesn't mean there's no hurt at all.
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[personal profile] aubry 2013-03-19 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Forgive me, I don't understand this part:

"I've been tempted to come out to my family for a while but known that I'd need to "come out" as aromantic and ace as well"

Do you mean "come out" as asexual, and ace and asexual are not the same thing? Or are you identifying as aromantic, assexual, and also gay?

Not a leading question. Just trying to follow.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
Not OP or asexual but would like to reply:

"came out" No. I hate when people thing that asexuality is some kind of horribly oppressed minority like homosexuality or transsexualism. It isn't.
How do you know they're not a minority? Aren't the majority of people sexual with others? I have also heard people making fun of asexuals; they may not be oppressed but I'm sure that those who are out about it suffer some bullying.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
not OP.

1. It wasn't "came out," it was "out." As in open. Reading comprehension, get you some. There was no comparison of any kind to any oppressed group, merely an acknowledgement of OP's status.

2. What part of "it sucks to be different" rang of "bawww waaah pity meeee?" THIS IS WHY THIS IS A SECRET. Because fucks like you get mad that somehow, somewhere, someone out there doesn't get what YOU'RE going through and they have problems of their own.

3. Did you really not read the secret? OP totally understands that people like them. OP doesn't get what makes them ovary-exploding, because she doesn't feel it. But here's the real secret. Are you ready? SHE WISHES SHE COULD. SHE DOESN'T WISH ALL OF THE SQUEEING WOULD END, SHE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE JOY.

4. Wow. Nitpicky. Hope that wasn't too rage-inducing for you.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: your first point.

Ummm... the OP of this secret never said they were oppressed for being asexual. You're getting annoyed at them using the term "coming out" but guess what? Asexuals DO have to come out if they want to avoid family and friends constantly asking them about boyfriends/girlfriends, dates, ect.

Coming out isn't always to do with oppression. We have a society where the default setting is heteroSEXUAL. Where you're automatically assumed by society to be heterosexual unless you tell people otherwise (ie. unless you come out as something other than heterosexual). Saying someone has "come out as asexual" isn't automatically equating it to LGBT oppression. It's strange that that's the first assumption that you'd jump to.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... I'm guessing that you're either a (pretty successful) troll, or you're one of those SJWs who needs to take things out of context, or put words into people's mouth, just so you can rage and fulfil your daily quota of self righteousness.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-19 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
1) She (I assume female) NEVER said she's pressed. Her saying she's "out" doesn't mean she's like "OMG oppressed!" What the fuck gave you that idea? She just says she's comfortable with being openly asexual. Also, you know what? While asexuals don't actively get oppressed by society, they DO get treated like shit so many of them are NOT open about it. In fact, I have friends who understand and accept homosexuality but they don't get asexuals. That's something that may even need medical treatment. Asexuals can just as well say that they "came out".

2) Where ever did she COMPLAIN about that? She said she just scrolls over them, thus doing the good old "don't like, don't look". And she NEVER said people aren't allowed to like those guys. In fact, she called them nice to look at. She's only wondering how feelings of lust would feel and expresses that it kind of sucks how she can't really understand the fandom's squeeing but would like to. What's bad or hostile about that? You YOURSELF made it hostile in your own little mind!